(September 19, 2015 at 3:47 am)Captain Scarlet Wrote: Let me help you out then, the matrix is NOT real.as I said... analogic parody. it was a rhetorical question to make you think. the video was to help you think.
Captian Scarlet Wrote:Right and you failed to respond to it, instead prefering to think you won an argument on a point of English.excuse me... you're that one that tried point out I was using improper English by describing real with an adjective... and that discussion was in addition to my answer to your argument, not in lieu of...
Captain Scarlet Wrote:Both these positions are self refuting so you choose instead to try and use terms like "functional" to make your position sound reasonable instead of absurd.so what position do I have that's self refuting? the position that I don't rip my head off because the world doesn't have substantial material? provide me a reason why one of those conditions entail the other... prove it's self refuting.
Captain Scarlet Wrote:Maybe, just maybe if others think you are not being clear and think you are choosing to serve up a word salad the fault isn't only with others.so if a lot of people don't understand me, it's more likely my words don't have meaning? or maybe... i'm discussing a topic that is difficult to understand. you know... that could be it...
Captain Scarlet Wrote:To say "I live in a world that is 'functionally real' but not 'objectively real'.." and to defend it by saying its functions like the matrix or is some video game projected from the mind of god or some similar nonsense is I'm afraid as coherentas you said... the matrix is not real. but it still functioned like a real world (excluding the loopholes and bent rules in the programming). mental concepts can serve real functions without being real.
if you still think that's 'incoherent' then you'll have to tell me how function entails objectivity. I certainly do see that necessity.
Captain Scarlet Wrote:In other words it is far more likely that you are projecting your own fantasies onto the real world,why? because you don't understand what i'm saying? personal incredulity fallacy.
Captain Scarlet Wrote:then turn round and deny the real world because you prefer your fantasies,just because I deny the world's objectivity doesn't mean i think it's all my fantasy...
Captain Scarlet Wrote:and blame others for not grasping the deep truth of your idealism.i don't blame you for not grasping it... i blame you for throwing accusations at me in response to your failure to grasp it instead of trying to understand or just deciding not to respond. i don't like it when people go 'i don't get it... you must be saying this...' if you don't get it, ask.. don't accuse.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
-Galileo