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Is your question a serious one about " God the almighty " ? This is an atheist forum!
I am not advocating communism as it was in the USSR or China, I am saying we learn from the mistakes that were made and continue to campaign for pure socialism. What I will say is that gangster capitalism which replaced communism in the USSR is hardly a model for the future and very many Russians would have the soviet back tomorrow if it were possible.
Similarly, many former east-germans would have the wall back tomorrow following their experience of being " auslander " in unified Germany.
We have to continue building socialism because capitalism will end one day and what follows it is the big question for a better world for us all, especially the underclass.
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You sure this is an atheist forum and the mention of God the almighty is strictly forbidden? I'll have to be more carefully the next time and not reveal my hidden thoughts.
So you dream of a pure socialism devoid of the mistakes of the former communist/socialist system.
It may be look strange but there is a link between atheism and such a "pure" socialism .We atheists are supposed to look at the world from a rational way of thinking,from a scientific analysis of things ,leaving the dreams to the believers in Destiny e.g. God.
I have already explained in a former reply that communism had a lot of real good things.
So why did it collapse ? Because of the bad things? Because of mistakes as you put it? Partly yes but mainly not.
Let me explain.
The first sentence of the constitution of the Soviet Union as well as of the other East-european socialist countries was :The state does guarrantee places of work(jobs) for all it's citizens without any difference of gender,age,nationality,or religious believe.
A noble purpose without any doubt.
Now in order to transform a slogan into reality ,the state , as the sole owner of the country's material assets had to build factories ,to exploit mines,to develop services,and so on where the people could be employed.
That means that the state had to run a planified economy where every member of the society will be properly placed,in order to give the state "all his means and to get retributed according to his contribution".
It means practically that every member is a pion on a checkboard being pushed for the benefit of the state in every direction it pleases him.
Now, who was practically the state?
The state was. at different levels. a restrained number of people who are bosses of the communist party ,who struggled always between themselves so as to please the other bosses who were placed on a higher level of the bureaucracy.
Here you have the contradiction between the individual who has his own dreams and interests and way of expressing his personality and proving himself in his own eyes and in the eyes of others ,all that on one side and the state on the other side.
The state had no means to solve this contradiction but by coercive measures e.g. by force.
The force deployed by the state lead forcible to corruption of the highest leaders,not only a material corruption but one more important, the corruption of having the power to decide about the destiny of your own people.
Here you have in a nut shell the principle of how Stalin or Mao or Kim Il Sung or Walter Ulbricht or Ceausescu or Tito came to power and finally brought misery to their own people.
As long as the leaders had the secret police and the army strongly concentrated in their hands and coud brutally repress any oppisition ,all went well.
Till one day came to power in the Soviet Union a liberal named Gorbachov who was a dreamer who thought that there is any possibility to implement oppenes ,"glasnost" in russian,or a multiparty system with the communist system ,the rest is history.
So you se ,as they say that "the way to heaven is paved with good intentions" the way to socialism had also it's good intentions but it had in the same time deep contradictions between the individual,the repression of his own will, vis a vis the state,which brought finally to the collapse of communism.
I don't know where from you have the information that a lot of people from former communist countries dream to have the system back.
May be that elderly people or unemployed ones really dream of that ,but the remnants of communist parties in now democratic countries seem to be utterly week which means the the majority would by no means want to come back to this film from which they freed themselves for about two decades.
As I said I do not deny a new social system ,better than capitalism, but in order to achieve that we must wait for a new Karl Marx who will know to outline the principles of such a society bridgeing over basic contradiction as explained above.
Any tendency to make unbased social experiences as it is tried ,for instance by this clown Chavez,who by his last referendum has ,so typically, ensured a lifelong rule of his, are doomed to fail.
