(September 19, 2015 at 5:31 am)bennyboy Wrote: I think it's you, Captain, because it makes sense to me. The world we live in is one of sense experiences and observations about them. You can experience seeing and walking on a bridge, and it's therefore functionally real. But the bridge doesn't exist as you experience it, because QM. And idealism goes even further than that. . . the QM particles themselves may not be objectively real, either. In fact, there's pretty solid evidence that they are not, unless you totally abuse the words "objective" and "real."that's pretty close. I would just impose a few minor corrections if we're using QM in the idealistic model. the bridge you walk on is there only because you're observing it. apart from your observation, it doesn't exist as such. apart from observation, matter is merely a wave of potentialities which have predetermined probabilities they will collapse to when they are observed. thus the bridge isn't actually real apart from your observation of it, as a wave of potentialities is certainly not the same as substantial material. but regardless of whether it is substantial or not, it still functions exactly the same in your conscious experience. so you wouldn't treat the bridge any different despite the metaphysical model you adopt.
Am I reading you right, AKD?
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
-Galileo