Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: May 27, 2024, 2:42 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
(September 19, 2015 at 5:50 am)robvalue Wrote: I agree that in the "world we experience" there is no matter, so to speak. We are receiving only an interpretation of reality, if there is one. The question is whether or not our interpretations have come from actual matter or not. This is something we can simply never know, as far as I'm concerned. We can't investigate.
this is certainly a very reasonable conclusion. postulating a material substance isn't parsimonious of verifiable. there's nothing a material substance can explain that our minds can't. and there's no way to know what this material is apart from our mental interpretations which we also cannot verify to be accurate.

robvalue Wrote:So to just assume there isn't any doesn't seem justified to me. Things would seem the same to us if there was, or if there wasn't. That is the problem of solipsism. In practical terms, it doesn't matter which is true.
when it comes to how you directly interact with the world you're right, it makes no difference. but it does make a difference if you look into the philosophical implications of the metaphysical model. I would first argue that idealism is more reasonable than solipsism because we seem to be in control of our own thoughts but we aren't in control of the world in the same way. if the world is merely our own mental fantasy, then there should be no difference between our own thoughts and the fantasy world derived from our thoughts. but since there is, I would say that's reason to suspect it is not derived from our thoughts but rather someone else's. thus you have monistic idealism in place of solipsism. but if the world is derived from someone else's thoughts, the only way we could have a connection is if we are also part of their thoughts (since all that exists in idealism is mind, the only connection is by mind). so this mind would contain all other minds, and be simulating the world we experience. nothing would exist apart from this mind, thus it would contain all the knowledge there is and have full control of the world since it's really all his thoughts... you can probably see that I'm saying idealism implies theism. and theism has personal religious implications which can affect how you live your life.

robvalue Wrote:But proving there isn't anything "out there"? I think that's beyond our scope. Certainly beyond the scope of mere philosophy.
I would argue that the very possibility only mind exists, that I see you've already agreed to, proves monistic idealism is true. if there is a possible world where only mind exists, and mind is the same in every possible world (by Leibniz Law), then there is no difference between mind in a possible solipsist world and mind in reality. therefore, it follows mind is not reducible to matter. and if substance dualism is false, then it follows all is mind, and monistic idealism entails.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist - by Cato - September 18, 2015 at 12:16 am
RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist - by Rational AKD - September 19, 2015 at 1:43 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Does a natural "god" maybe exist? Skeptic201 19 1726 November 27, 2022 at 7:46 am
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  does evil exist? Quill01 51 3738 November 15, 2022 at 5:30 am
Last Post: h4ym4n
  Understanding the rudiment has much to give helps free that mind for further work. highdimensionman 16 1167 May 24, 2022 at 6:31 am
Last Post: highdimensionman
  Do Chairs Exist? vulcanlogician 93 7494 September 29, 2021 at 11:41 am
Last Post: vulcanlogician
  How to change a mind Aroura 0 296 July 30, 2018 at 8:13 am
Last Post: Aroura
  The Philosophy of Mind: Zombies, "radical emergence" and evidence of non-experiential Edwardo Piet 82 12480 April 29, 2018 at 1:57 am
Last Post: bennyboy
  All Lives Matter Foxaèr 161 45476 July 22, 2017 at 9:54 pm
Last Post: Amarok
  If Aliens Exist, Where Are They? Severan 21 5243 July 14, 2017 at 2:17 pm
Last Post: Minimalist
  Why free will probably does not exist, and why we should stop treating people - WisdomOfTheTrees 22 4712 February 8, 2017 at 7:43 pm
Last Post: WisdomOfTheTrees
  Is the self all that can be known to exist? Excited Penguin 132 16083 December 15, 2016 at 7:32 pm
Last Post: Tonus



Users browsing this thread: 2 Guest(s)