(September 20, 2015 at 1:40 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You're still making the same silly mistake already commented upon. -I- don't have to observe the bridge. It doesn't disappear when -I- stop looking..it doesn't appear when -I- start looking. My personal observations are not the "QM Engine". Put down the kool-aid, it's not good for you.yes... minds aren't the only thing with the ability to collapse a wave function. everything with the ability to interact has the ability to collapse a wave function. minds happen to fall into this category. but if we were to look at the philosophical implications of this, science has created a bridge between objective reality with subjective perception... that objective reality is in fact affected by subjective perception. but if subjective perception is merely an informational feed granted by material interactions... it can't affect material interactions purely through this feed. so in order to have this interaction of wave function collapse by mind, we must think of mind as something more than just a passive observer caused by material interaction. such a view is not compatible with the material model of mind, thus we move to an immaterial concept of mind. if we discount substance dualism, then we have left an idealistic view of reality. in an idealistic view of reality, all would be mind or derived. so we cannot distinguish in such a world a material interaction causing wave function collapse from a mental interaction causing wave function collapse. all would be considered mental, thus we conclude conscious observation causes wave function collapse.
Not sure why we're talking QM though.....here again we see the stolen concept in action. QM and QFT, both -very firmly- rooted in materialism.
and really the QM discussion was brought up by bennyboy, and I used it as an opportunity to briefly introduce some QM evidence. I may start a new thread on this topic if I feel confident enough.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
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