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Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
(September 21, 2015 at 4:16 pm)emjay Wrote: Thank you for your reply and your honesty  Smile I found myself drawn to your theory both for its originality and because of its 'ground up' approach, which is the same sort of way I'd think about these things.
yes, it is quite an original argument. though I cannot take credit for it, credit is given in the OP. and I always try and word arguments from the ground up so it can be plainly seen that I am not arguing from the conclusion backwards.

emjay Wrote:I've done my own thought experiments about simulations and one came to a similar (or perhaps not?) conclusion of god as techie playing something like the Sims. It wasn't serious - I don't believe in that - but it was still food for thought, and still a possibility that would allow for an afterlife and all the omni's. So when I saw your theory, written in heavy duty logic (which is beyond me but which I trust much more than mere ideas) I was naturally curious and since you were a Christian I wanted to know if one implied the other and I would have been willing to listen if it did but I couldn't see how it could. So thank you again for that honesty.
I don't know of something that can surely connect the two, though I must say there are some curious implications in the bible that may appear to hint at it. such as morality being taught as emanating from personal intentions of the heart rather than actions one physically performs. the doctrine that you are to purify your inner self, not just obey a set of rules.

emjay Wrote:I'm not a dualist, though I suppose I do 'regress' to it sometimes without thinking. I'm interested in Neuroscience, Neural Networks, and computational theories of the mind and as it stands they give me the comfort of thinking that the mind problem is solvable and that we're on our way, but nonetheless there is that unbridged gap between the physical workings of the brain and the experience of mind.
there actually are some interesting findings in neuroscience when they are researched within the field of quantum biology; a field of biology that takes quantum processes into account when explaining biological processes. and given the brain is quantum computing, the same quantum rules and effects apply and that would include the implications of the measurement problem. this gives a case for immaterial soul causing collapse in quantum brain processing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_xEraQWvgM

emjay Wrote:So that's why your theory, as a possible alternative to that, was interesting to me.
i'm glad you're intrigued. though I would say it's must more than a mere possibility, or an interesting thought. I would say on face value it is a possibility and interesting thought, but the argument shows that mere possibility implies the conclusion is actually true. the difference means mind is in fact not reducible to matter, and given dualism is false monistic idealism entails.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
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RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist - by Cato - September 18, 2015 at 12:16 am
RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist - by Rational AKD - September 21, 2015 at 4:55 pm

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