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Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
(September 24, 2015 at 8:52 am)Rhythm Wrote: You seem to be making a variation of the same woeful mistake good ole AKD made, btw.  u seem to think that for something to be observed...you have to see it with your eyes, or be able to create a mental analog for what that would be like (3D space, etc..because that's the way -you- see things).  As with the equivocation of the same word in QM - you, personally do not have to be able to "observe" a particle as you appear to be using the word.  There are reasons that we cant which are not in any way short of evidence or explanation, so it;s a good thing you don;t have to be able to observe it - you'd be missing out on alot.  The model does not predict that you would be able to "observe" a particle in the manner which you are requesting (n fact, it states precisely the opposite)...so, failing to produce that which the model doesn't predict isn't much of a criticism of the model.

This has already been discussed, in this thread.

"If I can't see a particle the way I see a billiard ball, then materialism is false/unevidenced/unlikely." Just, no.

I think you're talking past me.  What of this long tirade is based on anything I actually said?  Not only did I not say that you need to see QM particles, I've explicitly stated that I accept scientific observations for what they are-- but not the philosophical positions that materialists draw from them, which I consider non sequitur.  In fact, I specifically said that it was a refusal of modern materialists to let go of billiard-ball concepts that was preventing them from giving up unnecessary assumptions.

Then you go on to actually quote something I never said, which is a blatant strawman.

"If I keep saying bennyboy thinks stuff, he might start believing he really thinks those things."  Just, no.
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RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist - by Cato - September 18, 2015 at 12:16 am
RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist - by bennyboy - September 24, 2015 at 12:18 pm

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