RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
September 24, 2015 at 12:18 pm
(This post was last modified: September 24, 2015 at 12:24 pm by bennyboy.)
(September 24, 2015 at 8:52 am)Rhythm Wrote: You seem to be making a variation of the same woeful mistake good ole AKD made, btw. u seem to think that for something to be observed...you have to see it with your eyes, or be able to create a mental analog for what that would be like (3D space, etc..because that's the way -you- see things). As with the equivocation of the same word in QM - you, personally do not have to be able to "observe" a particle as you appear to be using the word. There are reasons that we cant which are not in any way short of evidence or explanation, so it;s a good thing you don;t have to be able to observe it - you'd be missing out on alot. The model does not predict that you would be able to "observe" a particle in the manner which you are requesting (n fact, it states precisely the opposite)...so, failing to produce that which the model doesn't predict isn't much of a criticism of the model.
This has already been discussed, in this thread.
"If I can't see a particle the way I see a billiard ball, then materialism is false/unevidenced/unlikely." Just, no.
I think you're talking past me. What of this long tirade is based on anything I actually said? Not only did I not say that you need to see QM particles, I've explicitly stated that I accept scientific observations for what they are-- but not the philosophical positions that materialists draw from them, which I consider non sequitur. In fact, I specifically said that it was a refusal of modern materialists to let go of billiard-ball concepts that was preventing them from giving up unnecessary assumptions.
Then you go on to actually quote something I never said, which is a blatant strawman.
"If I keep saying bennyboy thinks stuff, he might start believing he really thinks those things." Just, no.