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The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
(September 30, 2015 at 4:19 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote:
(September 30, 2015 at 3:51 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: [...]
Can you explain why killing a baby in utero is ok based solely on the decision of the mother (as you said you have no say), but killing a baby a minute after its born is murder?  Is it a different baby?  Is it any less dependent on the mother than when in utero?  
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Of course the child is way less dependent on the mother after the birth. Are you even serious? That's why when a mother dies during or shortly after child-birth, a child can survive, whereas if she dies a few months before - it can't, unless perhaps some doctors decide to "play god" in order to artificially keep the fetus alive. An option, that - as you probably know - was not available until very recently and has very small chances of success even with everything modern medicine has to offer.

Also - nobody's advocating 3rd trimester abortions. The way you're presenting the issue is simplistic and basically - an attempt at appeal to emotions. Which is understandable, since you don't seem to have any actual arguments at your disposal.

I understand that no one is advocating 3rd trimester abortions.  I'm not trying to appeal to emotion.  Where I have difficulty in understanding is why a first trimester abortion is ok for any reason, but a third trimester abortion is not.  Two weeks before a baby is born, is it ok to abort?  We are still talking about bodily autonomy of the mother and the baby is solely dependent on that mother's resources (same as in first trimester).  PT brought up brain waves and ability to think and reason.  So is the point of life when there is brain activity?  

My other point was that fetus/embryo/baby is also a part of someone else (aside from the mother).  So is the man not a father (and thus having parental rights) until that child is born and cord is cut?  Or is it when the baby has a reasonable viability outside of the womb?  

Amillia Taylor is the world's youngest premature baby ever to survive, and was born at just 21 weeks and six days into her gestation, which was two weeks before the legal abortion cut off at the time in the US.
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians - by Spooky - September 18, 2015 at 6:39 pm
RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians - by abaris - September 17, 2015 at 3:57 pm
RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians - by brewer - September 17, 2015 at 4:52 pm
RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians - by Aroura - September 17, 2015 at 4:04 pm
RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians - by MTL - September 17, 2015 at 4:38 pm
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians - by rado84 - September 17, 2015 at 6:21 pm
RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians - by Cato - September 17, 2015 at 11:57 pm
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians - by KevinM1 - September 18, 2015 at 12:50 pm
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