(July 20, 2015 at 3:26 am)robvalue Wrote: I feel almost certain that all forms of religious/theistic apologetics/arguments are flawed, in one way or another. So I'm putting it to the test. Please post any arguments about religion or a general God that you think are valid, and I will analyse them. They can be about whatever aspect you like, anything that demonstrates them to be something outside of your own imagination.Ok. This is not really an arguement for the Existence of God, but rather the probability for its hypothetical Existence:
I will be looking for dishonest techniques and logical fallacies. As soon as I find one, I will highlight it, explain the problem, and stop. You are then welcome to amend your argument and resubmit it. There are many common problems I am likely to highlight, so please familiarise yourself with them on my website here. If you don't understand why any of them are dishonest/broken thinking, please ask. They are important for anyone who cares if their arguments are valid.
If I can't find a mistake, I will concede that your argument is valid. Don't bother with mundane arguments such as "Religion does charity, and charity is good". Yes, that is true. I'm not going to argue with such statements, but they don't prove anything about the truth of religion.
You can use any argument, either your own or from your favourite apologetic. But like I say, I'll identify one error then stop. If it's a concise argument, I may highlight several errors if present.
Go! The challenge is open. Other counter-apologists are welcome to step in on my behalf to identify errors if they so wish. But this is intended to be about the validity of arguments, rather than full rebuttals.
A= If it is true that: that there is a realm of existence hidden beyond the physical universe.
B= If it is true that: an experiment using the scientific method requires empirical Physical data.
C= If it is true that: entity #1 is not a physical member but exclusively a member of the Existence mentioned in A.
D= If the above are true then: Science (as in an experiment exclusively using the scientific method) cannot prove the Existence or non-Existence of entity #1 or the realm of Existence mentioned in A.
Is this "((A & B & C) -> D)" valid and true?
L= If it is true that: God is Entity #1
So is "(((A & B & C) & L) -> C)" valid and true?