(October 8, 2015 at 1:34 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:(October 8, 2015 at 1:23 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Nope!
He created everything, including the concept of sin (as disobedience to God).
If we do not obey, then we are sent (or allowed to go to) this place that God created specifically for those who defy God.
The solution to not being sent there is to "accept" the "love" of God and submit.
That. Is. A. Rapist.
The notion that it is "justice" for a powerful being to create a torture chamber for people who will not obey the "revelations" claimed to have been made to a desert tribe of Bronze Age sheepherders, and send anyone who refuses to submit to that ruleset there, is not only laughable, it's just plain nuts. Especially since some of the other "revelations" include justifications for slavery, genocide, and women as property of men, concepts I find morally repugnant.
I also find the concept of "submit or be tortured" morally repugnant. Why not a system which rewards the faithful but allows nonbelievers to just die like the other animals, as we atheists already think we do? It is the threat of hell that makes God into a rapist. A non-rapist says, "I love you and want you to love me, but if you don't that's okay too. Have a nice life."
whoever told you you had to submit or obey God to receive eternal life lied to you. its the exact opposite. For by grace are ye saved through faith in Jesus Christ; and that not of yourselves; it is a GIFT of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. It's not a gift if I have to pay for it. It's paid for, now it's up to you if you want it or not.
The gift is not free. Submission is not freedom. What are you, George Orwell?
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
