(October 18, 2015 at 3:24 am)Blondie Wrote: I just don't buy into just what people want to say in order to attempt to explain how we got here and maybe even why we are here. Theories again are nothing more than educated ideas and thoughts made by different people over time. Again theories are not science and not exact because it can never be observed. People can be so erroneous in their guesses to lead everyone astray. If I am lead astray it will be by Satan himself and not someone with a credential behind their name who says I have to believe this or that because they think it is a fact. People have gave me more than enough reason not to trust or believe anything they say. So why should I pay any attention to an educated idiot trying to shove their crap down my throat. It goes the same with you. You are tired and wore out by people like me shoving our beliefs down your throat. If I don't like you do that to me, why would I expect you to be any different? The same goes for the scientists who says this bull crap.
I am quoting you here, despite having just addressed your attitude toward science, because you are obviously an intelligent and well-read person (given your proper use of the English language, a rarity on the internet in general). You have some ideas about how science works that I find somewhat disturbing, and indicate to me that you have been the victim of some serious efforts at anti-science propaganda. My own church's attempts to insulate me from the teachings of science were my "trauma event", as you call it, which convinced me that the Christian beliefs were not ones I could in good conscience continue to follow; it was only later that I learned there were types of Christian who did not reject science and fear knowledge that could potentially conflict with belief. By then, it was too late to go back to believing; I had seen "the man behind the curtain", as Baum put it in the Wizard of Oz books.
First, we'll start with your use of theory to mean "educated ideas". My recommendation is that you cease to use "educated" as a pejorative. That's never a good place to start with your concepts about the world. Your computer and your car are built by people who are educated in the mathematics of materials science and electrical/mechanical engineering, as well as the psychology of pleasing design and ergonomics. The medicines you take are the product of educated people doing careful research on the human body, its biochemistry and its systems. Education is a good thing, not a dirty word.
Theories are science. In science, the word "theory" could be replaced with "model of"; in other words, when I say "Germ Theory", I mean the model of disease infecting our cells. A theory is comprised of all the observed laws which govern the behavior of the subject being modeled, and all the tested and verified information that shows how those laws operate together into a functioning system. If it helps you to think of it as "The Model of Gravity" rather than "Gravitational Theory", or the "Model of Evolution by Natural Selection", to avoid the sticking point you've developed with the use of the word "theory", I recommend that you do so. What's important to realize here is that in science, the word theory has a meaning that is wholly unrelated to the way it's used in police dramas on TV, or in colloquial use, to mean "guess" or "hunch". Theories are tested endlessly by scientists in many fields, all of whom are in competition with one another, and all of whom are encouraged to tear down any element of that model which is inaccurate or incorrect, even if they have no alternative with which to replace the error. Over time, this means the theories which survive become more robust, as they are more-heavily tested. Evolution is quite literally the most solid theory I can think to name, including the theory of gravity. We don't know everything, but we do know quite a lot, and what we do know is not the result of some guys sitting around in a room making wild guesses. Evolution is and has been observed in a dozen independent lines of evidence, in entirely-unrelated fields of study. If you are genuinely curious to know, I'd love to tell you about it.
No one wants to "shove it down your throat"; the beauty of science is that you can test for yourself. That's quite literally the definition of the Scientific Method's process of Peer Review-- anything which is to be added to the body of scientific knowledge must be tested and confirmed (or disproved) by others, in order to uncover errors in thinking or methods, false assumptions, and the bias of the individual human. If the results and conclusions are not supported by the attempts by others to duplicate what was done, they can attain great fame by proving what was wrong, just as much as the person who put out a new idea would attain fame via their discovery. If I proved evolution wrong tomorrow, with a testable and repeatable experiment that poked holes in everything we know today, then I would have a Nobel Prize waiting for me at the end of the year.
You can find out for yourself all the things I learned, and you can test them for yourself. What you cannot do is make assumptions based on limited knowledge, form conclusions based on ignorance of the facts, and wave away your disagreements with the educated people by declaring them to be guessing as much as you are.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.