(October 20, 2015 at 4:02 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(October 20, 2015 at 3:35 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: I'm not so sure. There have been countless personal accounts of God being revealed to people in such that the one person believes but others may call that person crazy. If you walked in to a room at work and a being appeared to you claiming to be God, floating there angelically and knew things about you no one else did, would you believe? How do you know the room hadn't been filled with hallucinogenic gas?
And there's the rub.
People all through history of differing god beliefs claim to have had personal experienced of their god revealing itself to them, yet I'm sure you don't believe their encounters with their god are accurate, correct?
Why should Christian personal accounts of encounters with the god you believe exists, be any more compelling to us than accounts of people having personal encounters with a god you don't believe exist, be to you?
You are correct, the image of a being claiming to be the Christian god as you describe it, could vary well have natural, mundane explanations.
But you claim that your god is extremely powerful, and knowledgeable of all things (the 'omnis'). A being with those attributes would know before his 'angelic appearance' to us would not be convincing (maybe it would convince some of us), and would know that we would not be convinced. Therefore, he would do something else that would convince us.
If he thought that his 'angelic appearance' would convince us, and we were not convinced, he's not much of a god then.
First Simon, I make no such claims of 'omni' anything, you are generalizing there.
Second, I also have no qualms with any personal revelations from anyone and their experience with their God. I've read stories of people saying Krishna came to them, stories of Allah coming, stories of Jesus, etc. They are everywhere, but those anecdotes are personal and nothing more. Who am I to claim them false? Those experience have no bearing on my own beliefs.
I would say that he has revealed himself in history and that our mere existence and this universe speaks to the existence of something greater out there. It is hard for God to reveal himself meaningfully, harder than we may think. If we are willing to simply accept Him then yes of course He can come to us in any way. Part of the Christian claim is that God has revealed himself in history, through fulfilled prophecy, through the resurrection, through historical events which are critically examinable. But we've had all of these discussions before. I was simply pointing out the conundrum of a God revelation necessarily needing to be supernatural and being skeptics we find natural explanations and easily reject the supernatural. I think the only thing that would work is a full mass reveal to all people in the sky so isolated psychosis would not be valid explanation. But what i'm describing is what's written in Revelation I suppose.
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