The Muslim Jesus was a Failed Prophet

[Rayaan]

Especially given the complete lack of evidence for your god.

The best evidence for God is in the Quran and in the teachings of Muhammad (pbuh). Those are good enough for me and I don't have a need to observe God myself to believe in Him. Also, even the level of organization in the natural world and the variety of animals that exist, which I've made a thread on (Animals are Fascinating), are a philosophical sign for the existence of a Designer. There is an intelligent force acting behind the laws of nature and evolution.

And what the fuck are you doing with opinions and explanations about something that you can't comprehend?

I don't understand God's plan completely, of course not, and that's why I was only giving some possible explanations, but no certainty. I thought it would make a little bit sense at least.

All these claims of your god moving in "Mysterious ways" and in ways" to subtle for us to comprehend" are laughable! You claim all this and still say you know exactly how he wants us to act and live our lives down to some of the smallest details.... can you not see the contradiction here?

The only things that I claim to know about God are those which have been revealed by Himself in the Quran. Other aspects of God which are not in the Quran, I'm not too sure of those.

While my use of the term is derisive, I'm using this mocking term to make a point. From the perspective of the skeptic, it certainly seems that way. Muhammad comes along several centuries after Jesus to announce that God spoke to him and everyone's got it all wrong but he's here to set us straight.

Just because Muhammad came several centuries after Jesus, does this necessarily mean that Islam is a worse religion that Christianity? Similarly, if a scientist comes up with a new theory of something and says that all the previous theories are wrong, does this mean that the new theory is defective? No, not always, because you have to examine the theory itself. In the same way, you have to look at the history of Islam itself.

Also, the Quran is the greatest proof of God's communication with Muhammad (pbuh). That's why I made a whole thread about it.

And what's the reason that he would lie by saying that God spoke to him? Can you present any rational arguments that he lied about this? Do you think that he lied about the Quran also?

A Pope would have been a better choice as a person to talk to? Or why just one man? Why not a booming voice from the sky like at Jesus' baptism or in Judges 1:1? Or hey, here's a wild idea, why not speak to more than just the Middle-East or Europe? How about China or India or the Americas?

The prophets are the channels through which God has spoken to us.

If God speaks to everyone, in all parts of the world, then that's like spoon-feeding us. Also, His words could be more easily distorted and corrupted by others if He spoke to any random person in the world. That's why God likes to transmit information by selecting certain people so that His words can be recorded more accurately and without any corruption.

Think about that for a minute. If I'm going to pick a religion: Christianity or Islam, which one should I believe is true? Would the Church established allegedly by Jesus be more likely to know what Jesus said or would some guy who came along several centuries later in a completely different country know better?

Muhammad didn't know any of this except by God's revelation. He didn't make up these things from the top of his head. If you think so, then you have to prove that he lied.

Each of the prophets were given revelations by God and the last revelation is the most authentic, which is the Quran. So, it is more rational to believe in the Quran than to believe in the Bible (even though we know that the Quran came after the Bible). I discussed more on the Quran in this thread.