(October 27, 2015 at 1:19 pm)Divinity Wrote: I think what you're missing is that the good ol' Bible, The "Good Book" fucking justified slavery. (And yes, I use the word fuck in as many sentences as possible, because it's my favorite fucking word). It wasn't just some Christian Nutjob who said "SLAVERY IS GOOD!" The holy text upon which your entire religion is based was totally cool with slavery. It was also cool with stoning people, and totally cool with all the fucking misogyny.
You can use the f word all you want. People usually don't use it when engaging in respectful discourse. Killings, rape and slavery all happened in the old testament times and were directed by God. We can agree on that. Those things were also prevalent in the other societies at the time. God was in the process of establishing the Jewish nation against murderous neighbors. The one time when the Israelites disobeyed the command to wipe out the whole nation of the Amalekites, it came back to haunt them.
Quote:Did some Christians ignore that stupid shit? Sure. Plenty of them did. They were like "Fuck that, slavery isn't cool. Even though my holy text says it is. I'm just going to ignore that part, and ignore all the parts about stoning people. Obviously that wasn't intended for everybody. The Gay stuff? Totally intended for everyone. Ew!" Some Christians also ignore all the anti-gay stuff in the bible. They ignore the talk about divorce and eating shellfish and pretty much every fucking thing they want to.
Since slavery in the new testament times commonly included bond servants, I assume that was what Paul was referring to when he talked about "slavery". The Greek word used could be translated either way. Since all of Jesus' teachings would preclude forcefully enslaving a person, I would have to assume the new testament refers to bond servants. Otherwise, it would contradict the teachings of Jesus. Christians are not permitted by Jesus to divorce except in cases where adultery is involved, whether or not many christians get divorces. As for shellfish - I like fried shrimp and I'm not under the old testament Jewish law. I don't ignore the biblical opinion of the morality of homosexual relations. I think gay sex is immoral. I think sex outside of marriage is immoral. I think abortion is immoral. I think divorce for the wrong reasons is immoral. I don't hate anybody who practices these things. I disagree with them. We are allowed by law to do these things in the US.
Quote:Yet for some fucking reason they can't say "You know what, I believe in god. I even believe in Jesus. But you know, I'm not so sure the Bible itself is believable. How can I say that the Bible was inspired by god, and yet it contain all this crazy shit?"
You don't have to believe it, but don't spew hate toward those who do.
Quote:Joseph Stalin was an atheist. He was also a crazy fucker. He never used his atheism to justify his actions. There is no atheist book that justifies anything. It'd be comparable to if a Christian went out and stole a fuck ton of money, and then someone said "Look at what those Christians did!" It wouldn't make sense because yes -- a Christian did it. But their Christianity had fuck all to do with it.
So Stalin's atheism had nothing to do with the atrocities he committed, but christianity had "everything" to do with the atrocities they committed? Com'on. Give me a break! I'll even agree with you that some of the popes were crazy and evil. But it wasn't Jesus that led them that way. You guys spout off like a bunch of lunatics.
