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Witness Evidence
RE: Witness Evidence
(November 15, 2015 at 10:15 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: As soon as you quit observing it... It's a memory....one that according to some, maybe highly flawed memory.  What is being proposed here, crumbles a good many arguments on this board.   Ohh... You think this is possible.... Perhaps your memory was influenced by something you read and its now just a false memory?  You would not even realize you are mistaken?

You are right about this. The struggle to separate fantasy from reality is a full-time job, even though for the most part we do it automatically. That's why people take notes right away rather than waiting, and why they look to confirm via reliable witnesses WITH GOOD METHODS, that their results are correct.

If I ran an expriment and it seemed I'd achieved cold fusion, I'd check my notes, re-run the experiment, ask others to re-run it, check their methods to make sure they were collecting information properly, etc.

And then we have theists. They've made a "discovery" which, if true, would be infinitely more important even than the discovery of cold fusion. And how do they check it? Wishy-thinking, false attributions, and an appeal to numbers of people who ALSO fail to collect information in a useful and meaningful way. And that's your problem: you are relying on the testimony of witnesses who either do not know how to witness correctly, or are very deliberately doing it wrong. The entire population of Christians, therefore, is incapable of providing "evidence" of the existence of God.
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Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2015 at 11:31 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by The Valkyrie - November 10, 2015 at 11:34 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Neo-Scholastic - November 11, 2015 at 4:55 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by abaris - November 11, 2015 at 5:19 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by ignoramus - November 10, 2015 at 11:50 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Silver - November 10, 2015 at 11:53 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by mediocrates - November 10, 2015 at 11:59 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Minimalist - November 11, 2015 at 12:25 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Chad32 - November 11, 2015 at 12:39 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by jenny1972 - November 11, 2015 at 12:50 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 11, 2015 at 4:51 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by ignoramus - November 11, 2015 at 1:11 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Minimalist - November 11, 2015 at 1:37 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by jenny1972 - November 11, 2015 at 2:26 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by downbeatplumb - November 11, 2015 at 2:12 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Minimalist - November 11, 2015 at 2:35 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Thumpalumpacus - November 11, 2015 at 2:59 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Grandizer - November 11, 2015 at 3:20 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Minimalist - November 11, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - November 11, 2015 at 11:45 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by brewer - November 11, 2015 at 3:23 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by ignoramus - November 11, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 11, 2015 at 5:18 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Grandizer - November 11, 2015 at 5:33 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 11, 2015 at 5:38 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Grandizer - November 11, 2015 at 6:43 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - November 11, 2015 at 6:09 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 11, 2015 at 6:12 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - November 11, 2015 at 7:24 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Thumpalumpacus - November 11, 2015 at 6:29 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 12, 2015 at 12:12 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Silver - November 12, 2015 at 1:34 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Thumpalumpacus - November 12, 2015 at 2:37 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by abaris - November 12, 2015 at 5:11 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by downbeatplumb - November 12, 2015 at 2:01 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 13, 2015 at 11:55 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by downbeatplumb - November 14, 2015 at 5:49 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 14, 2015 at 8:07 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by downbeatplumb - November 14, 2015 at 8:25 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - November 15, 2015 at 8:14 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Nay_Sayer - November 15, 2015 at 8:19 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 15, 2015 at 9:11 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by IATIA - November 12, 2015 at 2:57 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 11, 2015 at 6:14 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by IATIA - November 11, 2015 at 7:31 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 11, 2015 at 7:49 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by ignoramus - November 11, 2015 at 11:35 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 12, 2015 at 6:25 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 11, 2015 at 8:18 pm
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RE: Witness Evidence - by Edwardo Piet - November 11, 2015 at 9:37 pm
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RE: Witness Evidence - by jenny1972 - November 11, 2015 at 10:20 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Edwardo Piet - November 11, 2015 at 9:56 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - November 11, 2015 at 10:00 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Edwardo Piet - November 11, 2015 at 10:03 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Minimalist - November 11, 2015 at 10:02 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Edwardo Piet - November 11, 2015 at 10:28 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Homeless Nutter - November 12, 2015 at 12:44 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Mudhammam - November 12, 2015 at 5:58 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by houseofcantor - November 12, 2015 at 7:47 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Mudhammam - November 12, 2015 at 9:04 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 12, 2015 at 8:00 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - November 12, 2015 at 8:50 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 12, 2015 at 9:21 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by houseofcantor - November 12, 2015 at 11:37 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 13, 2015 at 11:53 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Nay_Sayer - November 12, 2015 at 8:59 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by brewer - November 12, 2015 at 3:14 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by IATIA - November 12, 2015 at 3:19 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - November 12, 2015 at 4:59 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 13, 2015 at 12:46 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by TheRocketSurgeon - November 13, 2015 at 10:20 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 14, 2015 at 12:54 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Thumpalumpacus - November 13, 2015 at 12:59 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 13, 2015 at 1:10 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Thumpalumpacus - November 13, 2015 at 1:19 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Grandizer - November 13, 2015 at 5:28 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 13, 2015 at 2:56 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Grandizer - November 13, 2015 at 5:27 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 13, 2015 at 8:11 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 14, 2015 at 12:12 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Silver - November 14, 2015 at 12:14 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Edwardo Piet - November 13, 2015 at 10:28 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 13, 2015 at 10:30 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Edwardo Piet - November 13, 2015 at 10:33 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by TheRocketSurgeon - November 13, 2015 at 11:11 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Edwardo Piet - November 13, 2015 at 11:13 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 14, 2015 at 7:38 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2015 at 9:14 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 15, 2015 at 9:26 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Minimalist - November 15, 2015 at 9:22 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2015 at 9:27 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 15, 2015 at 9:35 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Grandizer - November 15, 2015 at 10:07 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 15, 2015 at 9:31 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 15, 2015 at 9:44 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2015 at 9:44 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Minimalist - November 15, 2015 at 9:55 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Edwardo Piet - November 16, 2015 at 6:53 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2015 at 9:58 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 15, 2015 at 10:07 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Grandizer - November 15, 2015 at 10:08 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 15, 2015 at 10:15 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Grandizer - November 15, 2015 at 10:17 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - November 16, 2015 at 6:28 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 16, 2015 at 8:09 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - November 17, 2015 at 12:34 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Thumpalumpacus - November 17, 2015 at 6:23 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 15, 2015 at 10:18 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Grandizer - November 15, 2015 at 10:27 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 15, 2015 at 10:30 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Grandizer - November 15, 2015 at 10:37 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2015 at 10:21 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 15, 2015 at 10:25 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Grandizer - November 15, 2015 at 10:35 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2015 at 10:26 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 15, 2015 at 10:34 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2015 at 10:37 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 15, 2015 at 11:31 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2015 at 11:41 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 16, 2015 at 1:40 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 16, 2015 at 2:23 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Esquilax - November 16, 2015 at 12:44 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 16, 2015 at 2:27 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 16, 2015 at 3:11 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 16, 2015 at 7:52 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 16, 2015 at 6:53 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by downbeatplumb - November 16, 2015 at 1:34 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2015 at 2:16 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by IATIA - November 16, 2015 at 7:54 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 17, 2015 at 3:51 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 17, 2015 at 11:45 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Grandizer - November 17, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 17, 2015 at 6:35 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - November 17, 2015 at 7:38 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 17, 2015 at 7:41 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 17, 2015 at 11:25 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 17, 2015 at 9:38 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2015 at 9:41 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 18, 2015 at 10:39 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - November 19, 2015 at 11:54 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 18, 2015 at 10:02 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2015 at 10:03 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 18, 2015 at 10:32 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2015 at 10:34 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 18, 2015 at 10:37 am
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RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 18, 2015 at 10:45 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2015 at 10:49 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 18, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by ApeNotKillApe - November 18, 2015 at 10:56 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2015 at 10:57 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 18, 2015 at 11:10 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Grandizer - November 19, 2015 at 7:55 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by brewer - November 19, 2015 at 10:42 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by ignoramus - November 19, 2015 at 5:53 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 19, 2015 at 7:26 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 19, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Minimalist - November 19, 2015 at 2:27 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 20, 2015 at 4:10 am
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RE: Witness Evidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 19, 2015 at 2:32 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Minimalist - November 19, 2015 at 3:05 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Edwardo Piet - November 20, 2015 at 8:36 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 21, 2015 at 1:01 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Cato - November 21, 2015 at 3:16 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 21, 2015 at 11:58 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Cato - November 21, 2015 at 12:37 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2015 at 4:39 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 21, 2015 at 12:08 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by downbeatplumb - November 21, 2015 at 12:32 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2015 at 1:47 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 21, 2015 at 1:48 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - November 21, 2015 at 2:55 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Edwardo Piet - November 21, 2015 at 1:50 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 3:55 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Darkstar - November 21, 2015 at 4:09 am
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RE: Witness Evidence - by downbeatplumb - November 21, 2015 at 4:31 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 4:41 am
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RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 12:06 pm
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RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 12:50 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Cato - November 21, 2015 at 1:18 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 21, 2015 at 2:26 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by downbeatplumb - November 21, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2015 at 2:59 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 21, 2015 at 3:57 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - November 21, 2015 at 6:52 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 22, 2015 at 1:28 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Silver - November 22, 2015 at 1:32 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Edwardo Piet - November 22, 2015 at 11:45 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Silver - November 22, 2015 at 1:41 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - November 22, 2015 at 2:50 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 30, 2015 at 11:52 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - December 1, 2015 at 1:41 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - December 1, 2015 at 10:08 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - December 1, 2015 at 10:21 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - December 1, 2015 at 10:56 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - December 2, 2015 at 12:44 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - December 4, 2015 at 12:50 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - December 4, 2015 at 11:09 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - December 4, 2015 at 11:07 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 22, 2015 at 10:09 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by IATIA - November 22, 2015 at 1:52 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by ignoramus - November 22, 2015 at 4:03 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by downbeatplumb - November 22, 2015 at 11:24 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by robvalue - November 22, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - November 22, 2015 at 7:24 pm
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RE: Witness Evidence - by Mudhammam - November 23, 2015 at 3:47 am
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RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - November 30, 2015 at 11:52 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Cato - December 1, 2015 at 2:00 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - December 1, 2015 at 10:32 pm
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RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - December 4, 2015 at 11:02 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by IATIA - December 4, 2015 at 11:32 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - December 4, 2015 at 11:48 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - December 5, 2015 at 8:14 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by RoadRunner79 - December 5, 2015 at 10:30 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - December 5, 2015 at 10:48 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Grandizer - December 5, 2015 at 10:51 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Grandizer - December 5, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by IATIA - December 5, 2015 at 2:26 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by IATIA - December 5, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Minimalist - December 4, 2015 at 11:30 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by brewer - December 5, 2015 at 8:25 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - December 5, 2015 at 9:50 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by brewer - December 5, 2015 at 5:11 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by downbeatplumb - December 5, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - December 5, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Minimalist - December 5, 2015 at 1:08 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Minimalist - December 5, 2015 at 3:59 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by IATIA - December 6, 2015 at 1:58 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - December 6, 2015 at 2:39 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by DespondentFishdeathMasochismo - December 6, 2015 at 8:44 am
RE: Witness Evidence - by Edwardo Piet - December 8, 2015 at 5:27 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - December 8, 2015 at 7:55 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Edwardo Piet - December 8, 2015 at 8:07 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Angrboda - December 9, 2015 at 3:59 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by Cato - December 17, 2015 at 2:23 pm
RE: Witness Evidence - by bennyboy - December 17, 2015 at 7:23 pm

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