RE: Witness Evidence
December 1, 2015 at 10:21 pm
(This post was last modified: December 1, 2015 at 10:31 pm by bennyboy.)
(December 1, 2015 at 10:08 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I think that we may be talking about different things or have different images in mind. I'm not talking about some sketchy claim with poor evidence. I'm speaking of believing based on good testimony corroborated by others. If you have to see to believe, then you must have a lot of time, and some very deap pockets.If someone wants to use testimony of a trusted person to confirm his own experiences or beliefs, he may do so. However, if he does NOT hold a belief, and isn't easily inclined to do so, he will not be willing to accept the testimony of any number of people, particularly if he finds their claims contrary to what he knows about reality.
Quote:I think that you are making large assumptions here about me. I am definitely going to make a distinction between the observation and the conclusion. And I am going to challenge the person who only gives the conclusion, without the reason for the conclusion. I have this every now and then at work. They tell me, that component X was bad, they replaced it and still had the problem. I have come very close to yelling at someone, to tell me what they saw and heard, rather, than what they think is wrong with the machine. I want their testimony, not their conclusion.You have finally produced an example. Let's say that at your work, several people supported the claim that component X was bad. Would their number matter? No. If their claims were inconsistent with what you know about the machinery, and especially since the problem persisted, you would arrive at the conclusion that 'n' number of workmates were idiots. And if you were a foreman, you might also wonder if they were all liars as well. And if you were foreman of a very large company, and their were hundreds whose "testimony" pointed to component X being bad, for which you can immediately see there's no evidence, you wouldn't change your mind; you'd slap your head, maybe recommend a few dismissals, and start looking for people who were capable of grasping reality.
I see the same thing in discussions, where people do not want to reason through their claims, and just jump to the conclusion as well.
Am I wrong?