RE: Honor, Dignity and Victimhood
December 5, 2015 at 8:32 pm
(This post was last modified: December 5, 2015 at 9:19 pm by Cato.)
(December 5, 2015 at 7:15 pm)Divinity Wrote: I think what you're missing is still the key bias in the term "victimization culture". Especially since you claim that (Paraphrasing) "Empathy" doesn't work because no culture has a monopoly on it. But no culture has a monopoly on dignity or honor either. You are asserting that people in the victimhood culture do not have honor or dignity (and that people in the dignity culture do not have honor, and people in the honor culture do not have dignity)
I made no such claim. The reasons for your protestation here are imagined evidenced by the fact that you are the only person attempting a qualitative comparison of the moral cultures described.
(December 5, 2015 at 7:15 pm)Divinity Wrote: The first example is certainly no micro-aggression, and it's certainly a real issue much like LGBT rights and Black Lives Matter. If you can fit it under "victimhood" culture, you can easily fit the others there as well. The second might be a micro-aggression, though it depends on the circumstances. And the third is merely an example of people taking advantage of whatever they can (not an aggression at all. People have lied about being senior citizens, or their kids age to get cheaper movie tickets all the time).
As you pointed out, rape is not a microaggression. Emma Sulkowicz's mattress protest is not descriptive of the Culture of Victimhood as described by Haidt. Sulkowicz isn't isn't seeking sympathy and protection from insults and slights, she is raising awareness in an effort to seek justice for a violent crime.
(December 5, 2015 at 7:15 pm)Divinity Wrote: It's easy to point out the ridiculous. You could do the same with the other two cultures if you actually cared to try. And you could attach negative words to them in place of the positive words you have there.
Who's pointing out the ridiculous? You seem to have unnecessarily wrapped yourself around the axle because of the use of the term 'victimhood'. You are the only one at the moment choosing to consider its use an invective. From the originally linked article:
Quote:People increasingly demand help from others, and advertise their oppression as evidence that they deserve respect and assistance. Thus we might call this moral culture a culture of victimhood because the moral status of the victim, at its nadir in honor cultures, has risen to new heights.
Do you understand now? It's an apt description that was carefully explained and not the invective you have been making it out to be.
Edit: I removed content where I challenged Divinity's understanding of the term microaggression. I reconsidered this and thought the challenge to be unwarranted.