RE: Go For It, Britain
December 10, 2015 at 4:17 am
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2015 at 4:55 am by Fidel_Castronaut.)
Why are we banning someone from entering the country? Because he's said something we don't like?
Listen, trump is a facist pig and you'll get no argument from me. But have we slipped so far now that we ban people because they're say dumb idiotic things? Surely the way to counter this is to argue and debate it, not just ban it.
Sorry I know this is most likely unpopular but I really don't understand when we 'ban' things like this. It sets a very dangerous precedent. Hell we all know that freedom of speech in the UK is increasingly restricted, especially when criticising certain 'taboo' topics like extremism which is prevalent in many Islamic communities in the UK (not even Muslims in those communities can criticise it / eg. Trojan horse scandal) And don't read this as a pass for trump. The guy is a fucking moron and has no place in a presidential election (or politics of any kind), but his views are the ones that liberal democracies were set up to rebut , no? Does banning achieve that in any way shape or form? Seems like he's got a lot of support in the US. Will banning make these people go away or strengthen their resolve?
I just want to know what banning him is going to achieve, aside shielding us from listening to things he's said before.
If the SNP and Labour (who started the movement to ban him entering) wanted to do the correct thing they'd invite him here and challenge him. How embarrassing would that look for him? Instead he gets to play the martyr because he's got a potential easy out.
or rather, let me ask it another way. Why is banning him from entering a good thing and why? What do we in the UK gain by not allowing him in. And I don't mean in a personal way (eg. I/we disagree with his views or his views are offensive). What is there political/societal gain? And importantly why? Honest question.
Listen, trump is a facist pig and you'll get no argument from me. But have we slipped so far now that we ban people because they're say dumb idiotic things? Surely the way to counter this is to argue and debate it, not just ban it.
Sorry I know this is most likely unpopular but I really don't understand when we 'ban' things like this. It sets a very dangerous precedent. Hell we all know that freedom of speech in the UK is increasingly restricted, especially when criticising certain 'taboo' topics like extremism which is prevalent in many Islamic communities in the UK (not even Muslims in those communities can criticise it / eg. Trojan horse scandal) And don't read this as a pass for trump. The guy is a fucking moron and has no place in a presidential election (or politics of any kind), but his views are the ones that liberal democracies were set up to rebut , no? Does banning achieve that in any way shape or form? Seems like he's got a lot of support in the US. Will banning make these people go away or strengthen their resolve?
I just want to know what banning him is going to achieve, aside shielding us from listening to things he's said before.
If the SNP and Labour (who started the movement to ban him entering) wanted to do the correct thing they'd invite him here and challenge him. How embarrassing would that look for him? Instead he gets to play the martyr because he's got a potential easy out.
or rather, let me ask it another way. Why is banning him from entering a good thing and why? What do we in the UK gain by not allowing him in. And I don't mean in a personal way (eg. I/we disagree with his views or his views are offensive). What is there political/societal gain? And importantly why? Honest question.
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