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Ancient Astronaut Theory
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RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory
@Tracy;

Argument from incredulity is a common logical fallacy. A graphic example is the claim Egyptian pyramids could not have been built by the Egyptians alone.The pyramid is neither an advanced nor sophisticated design.In fact it's the simplest design for a massive building. (ask an engineer)

I debunked nothing, I simply asked you for some evidence for your claims. However,I present the following for you to consider:


I don't believe in aliens due to lack of evidence. I make no claims about their existence, accepting it's possible,even likely. I'm unable to believe in aliens because to do so would require a 'leap of faith. (forming a belief without evidence)THAT would be a superstition,just like religion..

Background:

I first became aware of the 'God is an alien' notion in1970,when read a 1956 article by ' a Russian scientist'; who examined the book of Ezechiel,claiming it describes a spaceship and space travel. Much later ,a NASA scientist wrote "Spaceships of Ezekiel"

However,the father of that particular form of crackpottery was Erich Von Daniken who began a veritable industry in such books with "Chariots Of The Gods? Unsolved Mysteries From The Past". I read that ,everything else he wrote and literally dozens of other books in the genre.(including "Morning Of The Magicians" the book from which he stole a lot of his ideas) I even went to the trouble of checking a lot of his references. Not ONE stood up to more than the most casual scrutiny.


My experience was nearly 40 years ago. The same drivel keeps popping up with monotonous regularity,with a new crop of ignorant and gullible people. That explains,but does not excuse my testiness.There IS no excuse. I'm a cranky old cunt who doesn't suffer fools.

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Quote:Argument from incredulity / Lack of imagination

Arguments from incredulity take the form:

1. P is too incredible (or I cannot imagine how P could possibly be true); therefore P must be false.
2. It is obvious that P (or I cannot imagine how P could possibly be false) therefore P must be true.

These arguments are similar to arguments from ignorance in that they too ignore and do not properly eliminate the possibility that something can be both incredible and still be true, or appear to be obvious and yet still be false.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_fr...magination

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Quote:The Spaceships of Ezekiel (1974) is a book by Josef F. Blumrich written while he was chief of NASA's systems layout branch of the program development office at the Marshall Space Flight Center.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] In it he asserts that Ezekiel's account in the Bible was not a description of a meeting with God in a prophetic vision, but a description of several encounters with ancient astronauts in a shuttlecraft from another planet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spaceships_of_Ezekiel


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Quote:Chariots of the Gods? Unsolved Mysteries of the Past (German: Erinnerungen an die Zukunft: Ungelöste Rätsel der Vergangenheit) is a book written in 1968 by Erich von Däniken. It involves the hypothesis that the technologies and religions of many ancient civilizations were given to them by ancient astronauts who were welcomed as gods.


Quote:Response

Most scientists and historians have rejected his ideas, claiming that the book's conclusions were based on faulty, pseudoscientific evidence, some of which was later demonstrated to be fraudulent and/or fabricated, and under illogical premises. For example, Ronald Story wrote a book rebutting Däniken's ideas in 1976 titled The Space Gods Revealed. A similar internationally bestselling book, entitled Crash Go The Chariots by Clifford Wilson, appeared in 1972.

A 2004 article in Skeptic magazine[1] states that von Däniken plagiarized many of the book's concepts from The Morning of the Magicians, that this book in turn was heavily influenced by the Cthulhu Mythos, and that the core of the ancient astronaut theory originates in H. P. Lovecraft's short stories "The Call of Cthulhu" and "At the Mountains of Madness".
The iron pillar of Delhi, erected by Chandragupta II the Great, which Von Däniken claimed did not rust.

One artifact offered as evidence in the book has been disclaimed by Däniken himself. Chariots asserts that a non-rusting iron pillar in India was evidence of extraterrestrial influence, but Däniken admitted in a Playboy interview (vol.21, no.8, 1974) that the pillar was man-made and that as far as supporting his theories goes "we can forget about this iron thing." However, neither this nor any other discredited evidence has been removed from subsequent reprints of Chariots of the Gods.

One book commonly cited in support of von Däniken is The Spaceships of Ezekiel by former NASA design engineer Josef F. Blumrich, who also wrote a summary article, "The spaceships of the prophet Ezekiel".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_gods



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Quote:The Morning of the Magicians was first published as Le Matin des magiciens. Written by Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier in 1960, it became a best seller, first in French, then translated into English in 1963 as The Dawn of Magic, and later released in the United States as The Morning of the Magicians. A German edition was published with the title Aufbruch ins dritte Jahrtausend (Departure into the third Millennium).

In a general overview of the occult, the book speculates on a wide variety of Forteana, mysticism and conspiracy theories such as secret societies, ancient prophesies, alchemical transmutation, a giant race that once ruled the Earth, and the Nazca lines".[1] It also includes what have been called "largely silly" speculations such as Nazi occultism and supernatural phenomena conspiracy theory that the Vril were the precursor to the Nazi party.[2]

The book has been credited with playing a significant role in bringing these kinds of ideas into the common awareness, spurring a revival of interest in the occult during the 1960s and 70s, and being a forerunner to the popularization of New Age ideas.[3] In a 2004 article in Skeptic Magazine[4], Jason Colavito said that the book was substantially inspired by the horror fiction of H. P. Lovecraft, and was a central influence for Erich von Däniken's books on ancient astronauts. Notably short on references or sources, the book has also come under criticism.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_of_the_Magicians
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Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Tracyt90 - January 28, 2011 at 3:47 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by muhtesem insan - January 28, 2011 at 4:05 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Tracyt90 - January 28, 2011 at 4:40 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by muhtesem insan - January 28, 2011 at 4:51 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by padraic - January 28, 2011 at 5:00 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Tracyt90 - January 28, 2011 at 5:24 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by muhtesem insan - January 28, 2011 at 5:28 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Rayaan - January 28, 2011 at 6:03 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Of_Tomato - January 28, 2011 at 6:15 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Anomalocaris - January 28, 2011 at 8:12 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by thesummerqueen - January 28, 2011 at 6:26 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by padraic - January 28, 2011 at 7:57 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by thesummerqueen - January 28, 2011 at 8:17 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by muhtesem insan - January 28, 2011 at 8:23 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Minimalist - January 28, 2011 at 12:46 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Tracyt90 - January 28, 2011 at 5:26 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Of_Tomato - January 28, 2011 at 9:58 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Darwinian - January 28, 2011 at 5:41 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by padraic - January 28, 2011 at 6:40 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by thesummerqueen - January 28, 2011 at 8:38 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Minimalist - January 28, 2011 at 9:20 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Minimalist - February 2, 2011 at 2:36 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by OnlyNatural - February 2, 2011 at 11:44 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Minimalist - February 3, 2011 at 12:21 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by padraic - February 3, 2011 at 2:49 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Anomalocaris - February 3, 2011 at 4:41 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by KichigaiNeko - February 3, 2011 at 7:24 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Minimalist - February 3, 2011 at 11:55 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Welsh cake - February 3, 2011 at 3:04 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by thesummerqueen - February 3, 2011 at 3:14 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Rayaan - February 3, 2011 at 3:54 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Minimalist - February 3, 2011 at 4:47 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Anomalocaris - February 3, 2011 at 5:12 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Minimalist - February 3, 2011 at 5:24 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Anomalocaris - February 3, 2011 at 6:26 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by thesummerqueen - February 3, 2011 at 5:28 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Minimalist - February 3, 2011 at 5:36 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Minimalist - February 3, 2011 at 6:41 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Anomalocaris - February 4, 2011 at 2:44 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by thesummerqueen - February 3, 2011 at 7:26 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Minimalist - February 4, 2011 at 7:41 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Anomalocaris - February 4, 2011 at 9:30 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Minimalist - February 5, 2011 at 12:18 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by KichigaiNeko - February 7, 2011 at 12:33 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Minimalist - February 7, 2011 at 2:55 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Anomalocaris - February 7, 2011 at 6:31 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Justtristo - February 5, 2011 at 6:51 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Anomalocaris - February 5, 2011 at 11:35 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Rwandrall - February 5, 2011 at 7:50 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by downbeatplumb - February 6, 2011 at 6:51 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Minimalist - February 7, 2011 at 12:46 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Anomalocaris - February 7, 2011 at 4:23 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Autumnlicious - February 7, 2011 at 7:17 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Minimalist - February 9, 2011 at 1:17 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by iggy660 - February 18, 2011 at 8:47 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Minimalist - February 18, 2011 at 9:56 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by padraic - February 18, 2011 at 11:36 pm
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Minimalist - February 19, 2011 at 12:36 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by downbeatplumb - February 19, 2011 at 8:06 am
RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by swami-sam-ananda - January 11, 2013 at 7:18 am
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RE: Ancient Astronaut Theory - by Minimalist - January 11, 2013 at 11:33 am

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