(December 31, 2015 at 6:47 am)Little Rik Wrote:(December 17, 2015 at 9:34 am)Brian37 Wrote: Religion exists and I don't see a planet completely free of it. It exists as an evolutionary flaw in human perceptions. So the best we can do without using force as atheists to get rid of it, which would make us just as bad as religion, the best we can do is challenge it verbally and offer people a scientific view of the world.
I am confident we can lead the world to better thinking, but we cannot in the process being humans ourselves think because we hold the "off" position ourselves that makes us above evolution. We are also part of evolution and that evolutionary behavior includes the full range of acts of compassion and cruelty.
I still stand by calling religion poison. Not because you can rid the world of it. I think it should be viewed like a loaded gun, a dormant volcano. You can find points in time where it is not being used, and other times where it is being active. You wont get 7 billion humans to be objective all at the same time. But you can seek a more civil world by fostering the attitude that human rights are a given, but claims as ideas do not deserve blind value outside the ability to make the claim.
Sad to see that most atheists still think that non atheists are or must be religious people.
I couldn't agree more that science is a good tool to debunk and knock down religious dogmas
but atheists should really stop there and leave God alone which has really nothing to do with religions.
Atheists kill religions dogmas and religious people kill atheists dogmas.
That's ok for me.
In fact is very good because once atheism and religions are gone spirituality will prevail
and everybody will gain.
You never thought about it Brian, did you?
NO, "spirituality" is a loaded word and meaningless. Now, our species did not crawl out of the caves without questioning social norms.
No I will not leave any spirit, deity, god/gods/or God or supernatural claim alone. The only thing you can get me to agree to is allowing humans by law to make whatever claim they want. Humans have rights, but ideas as claims do not deserve blind value, outside the right to claim it.
FYI atheists are not a gang, scientific method is what confirms the validity of any given claim. "atheist" is not a dogma, it is not scientific method itself. "atheist" merely means "off" on one claim. There are plenty of atheists with their own woo just as absurd as any old myths of antiquity. I have met atheists who think the universe is it's own thinking entity. I have met others who believe in 9/11 and JFK bullshit conspiracy. I know atheists who worship guns on par with right wing gun nuts. I know atheists who are fans of Dumb Pac Chumphead. "Atheist" is not a dogma. We are not a gang, we are not a political party, we are not an economic view and some do have their own woo and superstitions.
Thor is a god, science didn't leave that alone, we know now lightening is not caused by a god. Poseidon the god of the seas does not create hurricanes. If our species never ditched bad claims, we wouldn't have our modern knowledge of the world.
