(January 1, 2016 at 5:05 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote:(January 1, 2016 at 4:58 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Aside from 'long suffering' (which an omnipotent, omniscient being wouldn't be), you just described a creature that has no need or want to create anything.No I just listed a few adjectives describing God. In no way do I limit God to those descriptors solely.
Also just because God doesn't need us didn't m an he didn't or wouldn't create us. Are you using human rationale to justify your opinion of something you ent even believe in?
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By giving god traits, you are limiting it because that's how language works. If it's innately benevolent, then it cannot be malevolent. Descriptions create definitions, which remove options.
Moreover, the traits you listed mean something. A self-subsisting, all-encompassing, omnipotent, omniscient creature simply wouldn't create anything intentionally. Willful creation implies a want or need. They may be instinctual, but they are the manifestation of deficiency. The creature you described (because, again, words have meaning) would have no deficiencies. It wouldn't be lonely (self-subsisting) or curious (omniscient). It would have no reason to propagate (pick one from your list).
Your stated vision of your creator god is self-contradictory. Intentional creation implies want or need, which implies an imperfect, necessarily limited being. And if our creation wasn't intentional, then why should we care about it, let alone worship it?
And, please, let's do better than a weak appeal to ignorance as a reply, hmm? It's not illogical for one to critique another's assertion. That critique doesn't imply belief or disbelief, and is not incongruent with either. Furthermore, there's no reason to believe human rationale is somehow not up to the task of that criticism when human rationale is (poorly, IMO) used by billions of theists across the globe as a means to come to and defend their belief in their god. You don't have the monopoly on thinking just because I don't agree with you.
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