RE: Atheists who have converted to theism?
January 5, 2016 at 10:07 pm
(This post was last modified: January 5, 2016 at 10:24 pm by God of Mr. Hanky.)
(January 5, 2016 at 3:57 pm)*Deidre* Wrote:(January 5, 2016 at 2:00 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: Some people will tell any lie when it will get them attention, especially paid interviews.
Anybody can claim they are or were atheist, just as anyone can claim to be a devout Xtian. Whether or not they really were, or understood the meaning of the claim they make is usually the first question which should be asked. At least the atheists who understand atheism can clearly define what that means without resorting to dismissing the doubter as willfully ignorant.
On death, it happens to all no matter what they believe. On the nothingness which follows, nothing is something which you should know cannot hurt you - not when there is no neural activity by which one could feel it. On being convinced, this is where you either have a case which has made you believe in one or more gods over many thousands of others, you believe in all of them despite their conflicts, or you have no good reason to believe in any of them. Part of growing up is to stop inventing imaginary friends just because we're lonely, and this is a problem with theists.
I've never dismissed any 'doubters' ...it's just not my thing. You sound like my Christian friends however who when I left the faith for a few years said...'you were never a true Christian.'
Didn't think this mindset goes on in atheist circles lol
At the end of the day, no one can tell someone else how to live...only share what makes your views, your views. For those who want to chastise people on either side of the fence, their rhetoric falls on deaf ears, as far as I'm concerned.
When you are really playing the game of the No True Scotsman Fallacy, the difference is in whether or not you have confused, or are seeking to confuse the definition of whatever school of thought which you claim. Can you give me a fail-safe definition of that school "Christian"? Would any official teacher in this school say it does not require belief? I was told by my youth pastor, decades ago that being "Christian" literally means "Christ-like". So could one be a Christian by acting just like Jesus, caring just like Jesus, and loving others just like Jesus did but without actually believe the Jesus story? Then there's the rebel factor, and boy was Jesus ever described as this, in fact what he is said to have done would have gotten him in jail much sooner today than it eventually took him to the cross. The guy was a rebel, and in all honesty, a bit of a jerk with people who were just trying to pay their rent by plying their trade. REBEL is what most religious people treat the atheist as, and most religious people have no idea what else it really means. "ATHEIST" does NOT mean one who rebels against god, which is in all likelihood what happens when someone declares themselves atheist, while still believing that god is something other than a myth. OK, I went through attempts I've seen on how Christians define their own group. Would you like it if atheists and other people defined Christianity for you Christians? No? Then please don't define atheism for the atheists. The most straightforward definition is derived from the negation "a" and "theist", which means "believes in a god" - this yields "not a theist". That means exactly what it says on the tin, it doesn't say "rebel who is angry with his god", and that is why I can tell you without laying down any No True Scotsman violations that you are wrong if you say your rebels who stopped going to your church for awhile and started talking shit about your god were "atheists" just for that.
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