(January 5, 2016 at 10:21 pm)*Deidre* Wrote:(January 5, 2016 at 10:07 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: When you are really playing the game of the No True Scotsman Fallacy, the difference is in whether or not you have confused, or are seeking to confuse the definition of whatever school of thought which you claim. Can you give me a fail-safe definition of that school "Christian"? Would any official teacher in this school say it does not require belief? I was told by my youth pastor, decades ago that being "Christian" literally means "Christ-like". So could one be a Christian by acting just like Jesus did but doesn't actually believe the Jesus story? Then there's the rebel factor, and boy was Jesus ever described as this, in fact what he is said to have done would have gotten him in jail much sooner today than it eventually took him to the cross. The guy was a rebel, and in all honesty, a bit of a jerk with people who were just trying to pay their rent by plying their trade. REBEL is what most religious people treat the atheist as, and most religious people have no idea what else it really means. "ATHEIST" does NOT mean one who rebels against god, which is in all likelihood what happens when someone declares themselves atheist, while still believing that god is something other than a myth. OK, I went through attempts I've seen on how Christians define their own group. Would you like it if atheists and other people defined Christianity for you Christians? No? Then please don't define atheism for the atheists. The most straightforward definition is derived from the negation "a" and "theist", which means "believes in a god" - this yields "not a theist". That means exactly what it says on the tin, it doesn't say "rebel who is angry with his god", and that is why I can tell you without laying down any No True Scotsman violations that you are wrong if you say your rebels who stopped going to your church for awhile and started talking shit about your god were "atheists" just for that.
Dude, chill. I'm not really much of a debater...anymore. You can believe anything you wish, but let me believe as I wish to believe, too. You seem to have the issue, not me. lol
Oh, puLEEEEEZZE don't pretend you weren't trying to throw the stinky my way! I happen to be perfectly cool about it, not mad at all. I expect no more from theists who choose to spend their time here, and you happen to impress me above most in that category. What does matter, and what I will not let slide is when Christians hit-and-run, leaving misinformation behind. I'm not completely sure that you misunderstand (or did) the difference between a NTS fallacy and a distinction which is well-applied because the title in question is specifically-defined, and then I wanted to help you understand what that is.
You're welcome.
Quote:I'm not really much of a debater...
Good, I don't like to debate either. But to be misunderstood and the subject of a hit-and-run attack is not what I'm going to ignore.
Quote:You can believe anything you wish, but let me believe as I wish to believe, too
I haven't even attacked your faith ideas, don't know why you would say that. I was simply discussing how the disparate groups Christians and atheists define themselves.
Quote:You seem to have the issue, not me. lol
Without even a direct attack on your beliefs, something I said must have hit a nerve, and it hardly makes sense unless the person with issues is you.
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