(January 10, 2016 at 3:18 pm)Tiberius Wrote:(January 10, 2016 at 3:12 pm)Jenny A Wrote: I do blame her. What she did was not just a little, but incredibly stupid. I just won't let him off the hook either. He's still a rapist and should be punished. Her stupidity was self punishing.
What I don't like about her campaign is not the message that rape is rape even if the victim is stupid. That's a good message. But she suggests that it's okay to be stupid. It isn't. It's dangerous and it will always be dangerous.
I'll give you an example with different sexes. A man wants to be tied up and taken sexually. He lets a drunken woman who admits she likes to seriously injured men tie him up. She seriously injures him. She's guiltily of assault and should be punished. He's guilty of stupidity and has been punished. No one should be assulted, but no one should do anything as dangerous as he did.
I agree with your general sentiment but I disagree that it applies in this case. Kissing someone in a shower isn't consenting to full sex. It *could* lead to sex, and the guy can't be blamed for trying to get sex in that situation, but if she explicitly said no, he should have stopped.
Unless she knew that he was a violent and rapist drunk before she got into the shower with him, I honestly don't see how your example even comes close to the same thing.
As I read the sidebar, she knew he wanted her and that he was drunk. What he did was terribly wrong. Her stupidity in no way excuses him, not even a little bit. But her actions were irresponsible. It's like refusing to use anti-virus programs and then not accepting any responsibility for getting computer viruses.
If my hypothetical man didn't know the woman he tie him up was violent, but had only met her that evening, he'd still be stupid.
Safty as well as don't rape should be taught.
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