(January 10, 2016 at 7:50 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:(January 10, 2016 at 7:38 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: The important thing that sometimes gets lost in these discussions, and news stories is that even though she ''voluntarily'' went into the shower with the guy, I'd like to believe that most guys (guys I know at least and on this site, for example) would not have raped her. The supposition that well, she shouldn't have been there in the first place, places an unfair mark on men in general, that if given the opportunity 'most' men would commit rape, and that is also a grossly erroneous view to take. People always have options, and when in doubt, do the right thing. She should have been more prudent, most definitely, but her lack of prudence, doesn't give someone the license to commit a crime.
Yes, but there is something we are missing here. Most of the time you have sex with someone, there is no pause where your like " Okay, do you agree to vaginal intercourse?" No most of the time you express consent via actions. Now for most of us this is not really a problem, because it usually pretty clear by time you get your clothes off if someone wants it or not.
Now maybe I'm a barbaric troglodyte, but if a girl invites me into the shower with her, and then starts kissing in the shower, I'm going to take that as a pretty clear sign of "I wonna fuck". Now obviously if she says stop, you stop. Unfortunately that is easier said then done. But given all of the details here it is suspicious if she actually said stop at all. Unfortunately a rape kit can not really distinguish between very vigorous sex and rape. So all we have is her word, and elements of her story seem very outlandish.
Thankfully 99.9% of rape cases are not like this, but I worry if stories like this will make it harder to take rape victims seriously.
I definitely see your point. And there are also cases that have been in the news where women have falsely accused men of rape, and that's also something not discussed enough. I tend to not make a judgment until I read/hear all the facts in cases.