Attention Theists! Present your best argument for the existence of God!

[theVOID]

God's existence can't be known. Bomb proof.

If gods existence cannot be known(i.e proven) then the only logical conclusion is that he doesn't exist.

Same as unicorns, trolls, Russells teapot and Jesus.

Lacking knowledge about P does not mean you can conclude logically that ~P, it simply means you have no knowledge that P... It doesn't even say anything about whether or not your beleifs are justified, for example; I don't have knowledge that my cellphone will cease to function in about a week but I believe it will because of numerous flaws that I have encountered recently that seem to be very typical indicators of Nokia failures - My belief that my phone will cease to function is justified despite my not knowing.

It's a pity that homophobia is perhaps quite 'normal'.

My guess is that homophobia is a misfiring by-product of cultural ethics.

My guess is that it started when the first straight caveman got ass-raped.

Other than that I insist that you look around and observe the way in which things work a little more.

A little more? I spend a hell of a lot of my precious free time learning how the world works...

It's funny because you atheists like to talk about how the world works quite a lot and use that somehow as counter-evidence for why God can't or doesn't exist. Coincidence, science, materialism or what-have-you...but you don't seem to talk about the fact that it all works.

The very act of functioning is indicative of a designer now? What about the functioning of the designer?

More astutely from a naturalistic point of view you should look at nature as potential in flux, some energy and algorithm/physical constraint(s) in a feedback loop, something very simple that expands in complexity - It's essentially the complete opposite of what you believe.

I think a really strong case can be made against the existence of God by examining the required t0's of each scenario, one is extremely simple (naturalism) and the other contains a state of affairs in which the being who occupies it has information about all potential states of affairs at all other times right down to the position and momentum of all particles - That's by defintion more complex than the entire universe. You can from there use an argument from best explanation or a bayseian probability and the odds for the existence of god are miniscule.

By that I mean that this world, this universe, works in an efficient and timely way as to be in complete working order. All the conditions were right for a universe to be born and exist.

Efficient? There are hundreds of billions of galaxies each containing hundreds of billions of stars, more empty space than structure, our own planet is largely inhospitable, 99.9% of all species to exist are now exitnct and it's been chugging along like this for 13.7 billions years...

And the conditions being right for a universe are necessary in either model, it can't lend credence to theism any more than naturalism, arguments either way are made on other factors rather than the brute existence of the universe. The conditions being right for a being who knows every detail of this universe before it's existence is even more demanding.

Not only that, all the conditions, the infintesimally small factors, were in place from the very beginning moment leading up to this one for a planet such as ours to spawn life

You've assumed we were the goal of the universe, can you back up that assertion in any way what-so-ever?

And then for that life to become us...the odds are literally beyond impossible.

Another bare assertion... The probability of my existence is extremely low, so many events had to have occurred in the specific way it did for my conception to take place. Were things different someone else may well have been born, I don't consider my actualized existence to have been cosmically more important than the existence of any other potential being nor was either circumstance impossible.

So then it becomes a question of, 'to what end?' And so going beyond that, it becomes a question of whether or not the 'end' to which the universe leads is ingrained within it from the very beginning...as in, all moments leading up to the universe's 'end' were there from the 'beginning.'

Full circle.

I'm sorry but that's all rather incoherent.

The end of the universe being 'ingrained' (do you mean determined?) is compatible with forms of naturalism and theism. The end of the universe in your ideology should be indetermined correct? After all God gave you free with and supposedly you make acausal decisions and shape the future.

I'm old.


I'm never happy.

You need a cigar and a good hooker.