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A psychological approch to how religion works
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RE: A psychological approch to how religion works
(February 15, 2011 at 5:54 am)tackattack Wrote: guilt, conviction and repentance have little to nothing to do with delusion. They are basic human responces to experiential stimuli. What causes the guilt/conviction or the reasons behind the repentance can be based in delusional concepts or real concepts. That's dependant on what you term "real". For instance : Would you feel guilty killing a kid? Of course, would you ask for fogiveness from the parents and seek restitution and attempt to justify your actions? That has nothing to do with any kind of delusion. Emotions and intellect are not mutually exclusive, but one can overide the other when it's overemphasized.

As far as a Chrisitan perspective on pitting an ideal self versus a real self, it's not exclusive to religion, nor is it always detrimental. Don't olympians have an ideal performance they're aspiring to? The fact that most religions hold that ideal self as an absolute value just means you don't have to continuously move the bar. Failure to attain an ideal doesn't depress the average individual, nor does it in most Christians I know. It lends no power to becoming overly emotional about failure to attain then the contrast between ideal/real self being opposites you're describing. In fact seeing that the bar is at a constant level (absolute value) it's easier , IMO, to keep it in focus for betterment of one's self. It's dogmatic in Christianity that you can't attain the goal, but it's never been about attaing it. It's about the struggle of betterment and an ideal. That ideal is absolute and a far better test than a finite bar set by human intellect. The struggle can get cumbersome at times, as can any self-imposed goal, but most religions have that built in hope thing called salvation for encouragement.

Just my thoughts on the matter.
It's true. Guilt, conviction and repentance have little to nothing to do with the delusion. The delusion is what you have to do about the guilt. Christianity teaches that the only way to save yourself from the guilt of sin is through Jesus. Almost everyone experiences guilt and Christianity tries to command people how to repent which is how it controls people. If Christianity is the only way to salvation then I have to do whatever I think it wants me to do. It empowers this message by telling everyone they are dirty little sinners so we must seek salvation.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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A psychological approch to how religion works - by Gregoriouse - February 14, 2011 at 11:15 pm
RE: A psychological approch to how religion works - by Faith No More - February 15, 2011 at 9:17 pm
RE: A psychological approch to how religion works - by ozgoat - February 16, 2011 at 5:21 pm

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