RE: Should Gender Stereotypes be challenged?
January 19, 2016 at 11:33 pm
(This post was last modified: January 19, 2016 at 11:40 pm by Homeless Nutter.)
(January 19, 2016 at 10:49 pm)pool the great Wrote: 1. Where I live we have a serious case of stray dogs. They aren't trained by anyone and they still display typical dog behaviour [...]
Which is what? How do female stray dogs act differently than male dogs? You fail to provide any details - you just throw out general statements about some gender stereotypes that allegedly exist among dogs. Well - what are they?
(January 19, 2016 at 10:49 pm)pool the great Wrote: 2. Yes, and men display some personality traits that can be considered as feminine personality traits - traits like being caring, being emotional etc.
Men display those personality traits, because their natural, human traits - not "feminine" ones. The only people who associate "being emotional" with feminity are primitive, macho posturing pricks, who need an excuse for acting like assholes.
(January 19, 2016 at 10:49 pm)pool the great Wrote: Yes, most dogs may or may not exhibit some characters of the opposite gender - this does not make them the same of the either gender. If it did make them the same then there wouldn't a gender classification.
A what? LOL The gender classification comes from having different genitals - not from behaviour.
(January 19, 2016 at 10:49 pm)pool the great Wrote: Finally, my point was animals like dogs(maybe there are others) follow a typical male or typical female behavioral pattern
In your head - perhaps. Dogs display all sorts of DOG behaviours - it's the human observers, keen to apply their own social norms to everything, who characterize those behaviours as "typical male" or "female".
(January 19, 2016 at 10:49 pm)pool the great Wrote: This is can shown by observing stray dogs(which we have a lot where I live)and their typical behavioral pattern - which they have without any social conditioning.
Then observe them. Maybe then you'll be able to tell me what stereotypical gender roles they assume - except for the obvious one, that female dogs give birth and male dogs - don't.
(January 19, 2016 at 10:49 pm)pool the great Wrote: Thinking that stereotypical human male or stereotypical female characteristics were formed due to stereotypes is getting the concept backwards.
Right, right - so I guess black people must be lazy, unintelligent, druggy rapists, or else where did the stereotype come from?
Nonsense. Our idea of gender roles has been influenced by our society and civilization at least as much as by our "nature". You have no idea - beyond some naïve fantasy, fed to you by the Flinstones - of how our ancestors really lived - even as far as in the Middle Ages, let alone over the hundreds of thousands of years. What you call "stereotypical human male" is no more real, or similar to actual cave-people, than the Marlboro Man. You have some naïve idea of how people used to live and then you apply this as standard to modern human beings, because you think it justifies behaving in a way that happens to be convenient and easy for you.
For example - the color pink used to be associated with masculinity only a few hundred years ago, while blue was the color for females (which is why it's the color of Virgin Mary, for one example). Then some people changed it - and now thickos, who's only source of knowledge is TV will swear, that pink is "naturally" feminine and always has been.
And anyway, MY main point was - it doesn't matter where gender stereotypes come from, if they're stupid, limiting and harmful to individuals - f*ck them and f*ck the primitives who would like to force others to assume them, for their own gratification. Our gender stereotypes mainly stem from the fact that human males are bigger and physically stronger than females - and that barely matters nowadays, because we don't rely on physical strength to do almost anything nowadays, thanks to technology and we don't endorse using physical violence within our society as a means of keeping your family in line...
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