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The Immorality of God - The Canaanites
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RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites
(January 23, 2016 at 2:21 pm)athrock Wrote: And, FWIW, the question of God's immorality in the OT is a huge deal to a lot of folks. Cecelia, for example, is beside herself with hatred of God for his alleged sexism. I don't know what may have happened to her in the past to make that her hot button, but there it is. Others here are gay and that's their obstacle. I suspect one person may have even been molested by a priest - though this is just a guess on my part. My point is that people have different reasons for their atheism, and thoughtful discussion of these things might actually remove some barriers. I'm not sure that everyone is emotionally ready to have that kind of conversation, though.

Do you understand how disrespectful you're being to these people and their views when you dismiss them all as emotional reactions to something in their past? I know it's easy to just say "you're only an atheist because you're gay," or were molested, or somesuch, but aside from being simplistic and reductive, it's also profoundly rude; you don't know us, you have no basis at all for even ascribing a hatred of god to us, much less reducing our atheism to a simple emotional reaction rather than a legitimate position arrived at via means of evidence.

Why do believers so often try to undercut the people instead of tackling the arguments?

Quote:One other thing I've observed: most of the people in this forum are westerners and they come largely from a Judeo-Christian background. I'm not seeing too many people identifying as former Hindus or Muslims or Buddhists. I'm sure there may be a few here, but not the majority who are clearly coming from Catholic and Evangelical Protestant backgrounds for the most part. This means that they didn't say, "Well, I'm not happy with the Catholic Church's teaching on X, Y or Z, so, God must not exist." People with hot button issue like that usually become Protestant. No, the former believers here seem to have emotional or experiential reasons for their animosity toward God and believers.

Dissatisfaction with church teachings is irrelevant to this. You're right when you say that such dissatisfaction may lead one to change denominations- I'd add the possibilities of simply changing one's personal interpretation of the scriptures or setting aside one's personal opinions because these are the words of god to that list, though- but that's not what's at play here. It's the realization that none of these teachings are grounded to anything real or justified that makes one an atheist, not simply dislike of what the teachings are.

That there's so much to object to within religious doctrine is a corollary to atheism, not a reason for it.

Quote:Reasoning usually moves the individual in the direction of faith.

Reason and faith are antitheses. If a position is reasonable it doesn't require faith; this statement of yours is claptrap.
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The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 22, 2016 at 12:59 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by drfuzzy - January 22, 2016 at 1:03 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Cecelia - January 22, 2016 at 1:11 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 22, 2016 at 1:53 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 22, 2016 at 2:03 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 22, 2016 at 3:23 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Crossless1 - January 22, 2016 at 1:15 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 22, 2016 at 2:06 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Crossless1 - January 22, 2016 at 2:21 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 22, 2016 at 3:05 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Chad32 - January 22, 2016 at 1:26 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 22, 2016 at 2:14 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by drfuzzy - January 22, 2016 at 2:30 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 22, 2016 at 3:07 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by drfuzzy - January 22, 2016 at 4:58 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 1:59 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Chad32 - January 22, 2016 at 2:31 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 22, 2016 at 3:21 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Chad32 - January 22, 2016 at 3:45 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 1:03 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Esquilax - January 23, 2016 at 2:03 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 3:21 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Esquilax - January 23, 2016 at 3:34 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Chad32 - January 23, 2016 at 2:04 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Whateverist - January 22, 2016 at 1:38 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 22, 2016 at 2:43 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Whateverist - January 22, 2016 at 6:49 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 2:21 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Angrboda - January 23, 2016 at 2:28 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 3:38 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Angrboda - January 23, 2016 at 4:26 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Whateverist - January 23, 2016 at 2:35 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Esquilax - January 23, 2016 at 2:46 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 3:56 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Esquilax - January 23, 2016 at 4:46 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by drfuzzy - January 23, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Whateverist - January 22, 2016 at 2:07 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 22, 2016 at 2:45 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Cecelia - January 22, 2016 at 2:19 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 22, 2016 at 3:02 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by brewer - January 22, 2016 at 2:46 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Cecelia - January 22, 2016 at 3:14 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 22, 2016 at 3:28 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Cato - January 22, 2016 at 4:42 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 1:58 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Cato - January 23, 2016 at 3:50 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by robvalue - January 22, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 1:25 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by brewer - January 23, 2016 at 2:11 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 3:25 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by brewer - January 23, 2016 at 3:28 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by drfuzzy - January 23, 2016 at 5:07 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Cecelia - January 22, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Angrboda - January 22, 2016 at 4:07 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 1:28 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Esquilax - January 22, 2016 at 4:13 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Minimalist - January 22, 2016 at 4:20 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Grandizer - January 22, 2016 at 7:06 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 2:53 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Esquilax - January 23, 2016 at 3:24 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 4:01 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by brewer - January 22, 2016 at 7:41 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Crossless1 - January 23, 2016 at 11:45 am
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 3:15 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Crossless1 - January 23, 2016 at 3:25 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 2:58 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by brewer - January 23, 2016 at 3:12 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 3:57 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by brewer - January 23, 2016 at 4:02 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Whateverist - January 23, 2016 at 7:54 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Minimalist - January 22, 2016 at 8:48 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 3:11 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by drfuzzy - January 23, 2016 at 1:25 am
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 23, 2016 at 4:32 am
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 3:12 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by drfuzzy - January 23, 2016 at 4:48 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 23, 2016 at 4:31 am
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 3:13 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by robvalue - January 23, 2016 at 1:31 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 3:18 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by robvalue - January 23, 2016 at 3:44 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Minimalist - January 23, 2016 at 2:06 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Minimalist - January 23, 2016 at 2:18 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by robvalue - January 23, 2016 at 2:22 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 3:29 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Minimalist - January 23, 2016 at 2:45 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 3:40 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Minimalist - January 23, 2016 at 7:52 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by athrock - January 23, 2016 at 3:41 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by robvalue - January 23, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Cecelia - January 23, 2016 at 3:54 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Cecelia - January 23, 2016 at 7:53 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by robvalue - January 24, 2016 at 3:17 am
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Esquilax - January 24, 2016 at 12:11 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Brian37 - January 24, 2016 at 5:17 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Brian37 - January 24, 2016 at 5:19 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Minimalist - January 24, 2016 at 5:19 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Brian37 - January 24, 2016 at 5:33 pm
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 26, 2016 at 4:11 am
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by robvalue - January 26, 2016 at 3:25 am
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by robvalue - January 26, 2016 at 4:33 am
RE: The Immorality of God - The Canaanites - by DarkHorse - January 26, 2016 at 8:11 am

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