(January 24, 2016 at 1:57 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: So let me get this straight, there is an all powerful god who gives an objective morality that we don't know about, gives commands that contradicts it, gives us free will to subjectively make our own moral decisions, then sits and waits to punish us for not getting it right?
No, No, no. You've got it all wrong!
There's an all powerful god who gives an objective morality. Part of that objective morality states that slavery is perfectly fine, but eating shellfish or having sex with someone of the same gender isn't. You can't judge these things by today's standards because people today just have it all wrong. We need to go back to the days where you stoned people for behaving against the will of god. Because that was objectively moral. What we have today is nothing more than subjective morality. I mean women are considered more than property, homosexuals are expected to be treated with dignity, and working on the Sabbath doesn't get you several dozen rocks to the head. I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about this (she said with sarcasm)
Of course some will tell you that God had to work with the people of the time. I mean this makes absolutely no sense. I mean God could have chosen any group of people, and it's not all that difficult to understand if God says "NO SLAVES" he means NONE. These are the same people willing to sacrifice their children for god. Are we to really believe that these people wouldn't sacrifice their slaves (without killing them, gasp! The horror)?
How hard would it be for Jesus to say "Slavery is bad. All slavery. Everybody is human, and enslavement is an abomination against God."
How hard would it be for him to say "Women are not to be treated as property. They are human beings, and it is an abomination against God to consider them property."
Apparently pretty hard. So either God doesn't have these things as moral values, or Jesus wasn't God. If these weren't values of God, then God's morality states that Women are property, and that slavery is absolutely fine.
The whole tone of Church teaching in regard to woman is, to the last degree, contemptuous and degrading. - Elizabeth Cady Stanton