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'choosing' thoughts.
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RE: 'choosing' thoughts.
(March 15, 2009 at 6:18 am)athoughtfulman Wrote: All information from nothing? No, not necessarily. All I'm proposing is that we don't actually choose.
And if we don't actually choose, what we do is unchangeable. It is set in stone. It was predetermined. So the name Issac Newton's parents chose for him was pre-determined (since we can have no choice), and Issac Newton's theories on gravity were also all pre-determined (since he had no freedom of choice to do other things).

If you can't see how determinism means information springing out of nothing (even if we ignore the physics side and focus on the philosophy side) then I can't explain it better than this.

It means that every single choice anyone has ever made in the history of humanity has been pre-determined, which means that all the consequences of those choices are pre-determined as well, which means every single human endeavour, thought, product, etc has been pre-determined since the first human evolved (or heck, since the first cell formed). Where did the information come from?
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'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 4, 2009 at 5:45 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Kyuuketsuki - March 4, 2009 at 6:11 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 4, 2009 at 6:19 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Tiberius - March 4, 2009 at 6:27 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 4, 2009 at 6:34 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Giff - March 5, 2009 at 8:21 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 5, 2009 at 8:33 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 10, 2009 at 10:20 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Kyuuketsuki - March 11, 2009 at 5:13 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 10, 2009 at 10:34 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 10, 2009 at 11:11 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 11, 2009 at 11:43 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Giff - March 12, 2009 at 9:27 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 12, 2009 at 10:44 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Giff - March 13, 2009 at 9:24 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 13, 2009 at 9:25 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Giff - March 15, 2009 at 8:40 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 15, 2009 at 7:36 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 13, 2009 at 9:31 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 13, 2009 at 5:24 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 13, 2009 at 11:06 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Tiberius - March 14, 2009 at 10:23 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 14, 2009 at 10:32 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 13, 2009 at 11:11 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 13, 2009 at 11:22 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 13, 2009 at 11:51 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 13, 2009 at 11:54 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 14, 2009 at 12:03 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 14, 2009 at 12:12 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 14, 2009 at 12:19 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 14, 2009 at 12:22 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 14, 2009 at 12:28 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 14, 2009 at 12:46 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 14, 2009 at 10:06 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 15, 2009 at 6:18 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Tiberius - March 15, 2009 at 2:53 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 15, 2009 at 8:50 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 16, 2009 at 2:01 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Tiberius - March 16, 2009 at 4:47 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 16, 2009 at 8:35 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Giff - March 16, 2009 at 8:57 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by padraic - March 17, 2009 at 5:22 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 16, 2009 at 7:00 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 16, 2009 at 7:11 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Giff - March 17, 2009 at 8:07 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 17, 2009 at 8:57 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Giff - March 17, 2009 at 11:09 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Kyuuketsuki - March 17, 2009 at 11:20 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 17, 2009 at 1:23 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 17, 2009 at 6:36 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by leo-rcc - March 17, 2009 at 6:57 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 17, 2009 at 7:05 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by leo-rcc - March 17, 2009 at 7:08 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 17, 2009 at 7:21 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by leo-rcc - March 17, 2009 at 7:30 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 17, 2009 at 7:39 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by leo-rcc - March 17, 2009 at 7:47 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 17, 2009 at 8:41 pm

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