(January 31, 2016 at 7:17 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(January 31, 2016 at 12:24 pm)Vicki Q Wrote: Because of the practice. Many Messiahs came and died. At that point their movement stopped, so enough recorded history tells us."We survivors of 1993 are looking for David and all those that died either in the shootout or in the fire," Doyle says. "We believe that God will resurrect this special group."
~ Branch Davidians 20 years after the seige at Waco
Branch Davidians (BDs) and C1 Jews had completely different ideas about theology, and particularly the Messainic role. There are major dangers with 'generalising' religions.
For a start, where C1 Jews believed in the resurrection, it was the general resurrection (everyone in one go) at the inauguration of the Kingdom of God. They wouldn't sit around a field waiting for a bunch of people to reappear in advance of the end of the world.
Secondly, the inauguration of God's Kingdom was primarily seen as the military triumph of the Jewish people winning back their land of Israel and their freedom, lead by the Messiah. If your candidate got himself killed, God wasn't with him, and you needed to look elsewhere for the Messiah. BD theology is clearly much more flexible- your man can die and God can still be with him.
Thirdly, the BDs appear to invent theology as they go along, without substantial roots. Judaism had to follow the meta-narrative of the OT.
Context is all here.
(January 31, 2016 at 1:34 pm)Irrational Wrote:(January 31, 2016 at 12:24 pm)Vicki Q Wrote: Which leads us to the challenging historical puzzle as to why Jesus was still seen as successful by his followers. Even more intriguingly, how they decided his death lead to the inauguration of God's kingdom. After all, dead Messiahs were the very definition of failure...Hence, the Resurrection "revelation" surely helped to offset that failure, if you know what I mean ...
I'm not sure I understand you, because I think you're making my point. Something extraordinary convinced them them that, after all, God was inaugurating his Kingdom, was with Jesus despite the rather large “stumbling block” of his death, and that resurrection was a definite thing.