Christoid Logic

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To the opening post:

Yes, pretty much every conversation I've ever had ends up with "God is magic". I don't generally bother debating people anymore unless I detect a genuine interest in a proper evaluation of their beliefs. It is still worthwhile however online, because the audience can benefit from the cop-out and flawed nature of every theistic argument.

As to God and time, it makes sense to say God is outside of our time, but it doesn't make sense to say he doesn't have his own timeline. If he has no timeline, he's not able to do anything. If you don't want to call it time, call it fairy dust, whatever you like. If he "created our reality" (not the universe, he can't have created that because he already existed) then that gives two clear different states: before the creation, and after the creation. Fairy dust point 1, and fairy dust point 2. Otherwise, he didn't really "do" anything, and our reality has always existed from his point of view. This is all a lot easier to visualise when you realize "God" could be a computer programmer, and this is a simulation where aspects have become self-aware.

Of course, the bible shows God just walking around like a human, clearly part of our timeline too. But people just ignore inconvenient details like that.