(February 5, 2016 at 3:32 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:(February 4, 2016 at 9:17 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No, sorry, it is based on "sins of the father" otherwise there would be no need for the Adam and Eve story at all, there would be no "fall of man" which getting kicked out of the garden did for all future generations. If I am responsible for myself and they are not to blame, then every generation should be set in the garden not perpetuate the repetition of being put on a crappy planet with all sorts of imperfections like disease and natural disasters and crime and war.
Not that I would want to be in that garden. I would simply be a dumb robot following commands without any say and also not knowing I was a pawn in a bet between God and Lucifer
"Revised the rules" wow, all powerful god "poofs" the universe and planet into existence but needs humans to right a book for him, takes over 1,000 years to complete and 40 authors with books left out and needs humans to vote on a final version, only for more humans later to write competing versions like NIV and book of Mormon.
According to the fairy tale Ezekiel changed the rules and everyone else, including Jesus and Mohammed, obeyed.
As it says in Ezekiel chapter 18 you only have to worry about your own butt. What the other guy did doesn't affect you.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...EV;NIV;NLV
Of course if a man has sex with a woman who is on her period he shall die. God doesn't like that! It's off to the lake of fire.
Ezekiel 18:14-20 (CEV) = "14 But suppose this evil man has a son who sees his father do these things and refuses to act like him. 15 He doesn’t eat meat at local shrines or worship Israel’s idols, and he doesn’t have sex with someone else’s wife. 16 He never cheats or robs anyone and doesn’t even demand security for a loan. He gives food and clothes to the poor 17 and refuses to do anything evil[a] or to charge interest. And he obeys all my laws and teachings. Such a man will live. His own father sinned, but this good man will not be put to death for the sins of his father. 18 It is his father who will die for cheating and robbing and doing evil.
19 You may wonder why a son isn’t punished for the sins of his father. It is because the son does what is right and obeys my laws. 20 Only those who sin will be put to death. Children won’t suffer for the sins of their parents, and parents won’t suffer for the sins of their children. Good people will be rewarded for what they do, and evil people will be punished for what they do."
Arggggggg,
I agree that the revisions exist, wasn't arguing they don't. I was arguing the garden was pointless as a story if one is going to say "sins of the father" no longer applies. Adam and Eve were the first domino and if they didn't eat the forbidden fruit we'd all be in that allegedly perfect garden. So there is no way to say it was not their fault.
And again, not even the garden story is a really moral concept as a story. As I said, Adam and Eve were innocent pawns in a bet. They were ignorant and innocent, put there with no prior knowledge, no consent, no input, and just had arbitrary orders barked at them they got no explanation for. God is blaming them for something he did not have to set up, it is blaming the victim in a bet he set up. As for every generation afterwords in that book of myth, we are stuck with their punishment of not being in that allegedly perfect utopia.
But that brings me to a larger point I bring up about this God character.
Why all the do overs in the bible? Garden was supposed to be perfect. That didn't last. The flood was supposed to fix things, but that too didn't fix things. Then the fake suicide of God/himself/Jesus, was supposed to fix things, yet people still "sin", then at the end of the book God beats the shit out of everyone who didn't kiss his ass, throws most of humanity in the trash, and those who did kiss his ass simply spend an eternity doing the same.
It makes no logical sense to me, if one is going to claim a "perfect plan" to have all that needless drama with all those conflicting stories and "revisions".
When someone reads the assembly manual for a bike, it is clear and to the point and can be followed by anyone without the different "interpretations" or "revisions".
If this is God's idea of efficiency or morality, I just don't see it.
