(February 2, 2016 at 6:40 pm)Minimalist Wrote: James Madison - who wrote the constitution -
Quote:The experience of the United States is a happy disproof of the error so long rooted in the unenlightened minds of well-meaning Christians, as well as in the corrupt hearts of persecuting usurpers, that without a legal incorporation of religious and civil polity, neither could be supported. A mutual independence is found most friendly to practical Religion, to social harmony, and to political prosperity (Letter to F.L. Schaeffer, Dec 3, 1821).
Curiously, there were no Establishment Clause case decisions by the supreme court until 1879. So well understood was the concept of the wall between church and state early on that it took a mormon shitwit to challenge the anti-bigamy law as an infringement of his religious rights. He lost. Fuck him.
You are engaging in revisionist history, drippy. And since you don't know shit about history to begin with you are on very thin ice.
If I am the revisionist then why are you cherry picking from this madison letter? why not post the whole thing? Oh, that's right it changes the meaning, and invalidates your claim.
You are a broken old fraud. Everything you post is first altered for 'propaganda correctness.'
Here is the full letter:
JAMES MADISON TO F. L. SCHAEFFER
Quote:Montpellier, Dec. 3rd ,1821
Revd Sir,--I have received, with your letter of November 19th, the copy of your address at the ceremonial of laying the corner-stone of St Matthew's Church in New York.
It is a pleasing and persuasive example of pious zeal, united with pure benevolence and of a cordial attachment to a particular creed, untinctured with sectarian illiberality.
(what th bold portion means: "this is a good example of people of a specific denomination, unmolested by people of other sects, and or bigoted bias/as with the state sponsored church of England squashing all non state sponcered attempts to build a different denominational church" I encourage you to look these words up and read them with fresh eyes rather than just assume you know what is being discussed.)
Quote: It illustrates the excellence of a system which, by a due distinction, to which the genius and courage of Luther led the way, between what is due to Caesar and what is due God, best promotes the discharge of both obligations.
(Again here if Madison were advocating the elimination of God then why promote the ability to offer up the obligations of both God and ceasar? Clearly Madison/by mentioning the teachings of Martin luther -vs- the church of england he supports 'luthern' world view and knew of a time and or place where he could not previously express it as he Just Did! So again if Madison was advocating a Complete separation between ALL Churches and Goverment, then why did he just advocate the teaching of Martin Luther? No, What Madison wanted was separation of the state and the church. Meaning he did not want to live nor we should live under the rule of a single state sponsored church/denomination.)
Quote:The experience of the United States is a happy disproof of the error so long rooted in the unenlightened minds of well-meaning Christians, as well as in the corrupt hearts of persecuting usurpers, that without a legal incorporation of religious and civil polity, neither could be supported. A mutual independence is found most friendly to practical Religion, to social harmony, and to political prosperity.
(The Unlined portion completely supports what I just said about his desire for a separation of a state mandated church. His own words in this letter proves that his intentions were not to take God himself out of goverment.)
Quote:In return for your kind sentiments, I tender assurances of my estaeem and my best wishes.
(SOURCE OF INFORMATION: To F. L. Schaeffer from Madison, December 3, 1821. Letters and Other writings of James Madison, in Four Volumes, Published by Order of Congress. VOL. III, J. B. Lippincott & Co. Philadelphia, (1865), pp 242-243).
