(February 5, 2016 at 3:02 am)Aractus Wrote:(February 4, 2016 at 9:04 am)athrock Wrote: When I go to Confession, I sometimes mention the fact that I'm gay, to give the priest some context. (And to spare him some confusion: Did you say 'locker room'? What were you doing in the women's...oh.) I've always gotten one of two responses: either compassion, encouragement, and admiration, because the celibate life is difficult and profoundly counter-cultural; or nothing at all, not even a ripple, as if I had confessed eating too much on Thanksgiving
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So the Church doesn't oppose gay marriage because it's wrong; she opposes it because it's impossible, just as impossible as living on sand.
Okay that's nice, but just because the RCC has mellowed their tone somewhat doesn't mean the Bible itself has:
And let's not even get into the excommunication commandments, the explicit instruction not to associate with people of this nature (see Eph. 5:7) or this:
- Leviticus 18:22: You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
- Leviticus 20:13: If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.
- 1 Kings 14:24: and there were also male cult prostitutes in the land. They did according to all the abominations of the nations which the Lord drove out before the people of Israel.
- 1 Corinthians 6:9-10: Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.
- Romans 1:18-27: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse; for although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles.
Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen.
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.
- 1 Timothy 1:8-11: Now we know that the law is good, if any one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, immoral persons, sodomites, kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 in accordance with the glorious gospel of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.
Eph. 5:1-13: Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. For it is a shame even to speak of the things that they do in secret; but when anything is exposed by the light it becomes visible, for anything that becomes visible is light.
So to summarise, this is what the Bible says about homosexuals:Now can you see the problem?
- They are an abomination (this is repeated several times),
- They should be executed,
- They are sexual perverts,
- They are equated with rapists (Sodomites),
- Their desires are unnatural and shameful,
- Homosexuality is caused by disobedience to God,
- They are sexual perverts,
- Do not associate with them,
- And expose them.
I must have missed the place where God calls the INDIVIDUAL an abomination. I see two places where the homosexual ACTS are called an abomination.
Those who committed those acts were to be executed. Okay. So what? We execute people for serious crimes even today. A holy God has high standards...does that surprise?
You gave us the answer for why this conflict in our socienty has arisen when you quoted Paul above:
"They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen."
This is the heart of the problem, Aractus.
Modern man has exchanged the truth about God for a lie.