(February 9, 2016 at 11:47 am)athrock Wrote:(February 9, 2016 at 11:36 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Your claim is that those who do not believe in the Christian God are not capable of knowing 'right' from 'wrong.' You believe that you have a moral compass and that I don't, but you don't feel you are a better person than me for it? Never mind, don't answer, because you are going to say 'no, I don't,' and I'm not going to believe you.
Yes, because apart from an objective standard, there is no basis for saying that anything is "right" or "wrong". It's just your opinion v. my opinion.
And I have NOT said you don't have a moral compass because:
A. It is possible for non-believers to ACT in a moral fashion, and
B. This ability is the direct result of God's placement of a moral compass (Natural Law) within us.
Paul wrote:
Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
We observe the universe and see God's handiwork in the ordering of the stars and the seasons and the plants and animals.
We observe human behavior and see right and wrong from universally accepted objective moral values.
No sorry, quoting a holy book is what every religion does. And no, morals are NOT universal in the context of human invented religion.
Our species ability to be cruel or compassionate is in our evolution, not old comic books. Not the bible, not the Quran not the Vedas, none of them.
That was then this is now. It was understandable back the that people wrote those things and others bought those things. We have a much better scientific understanding of evolution and the universe now.