(February 9, 2016 at 6:07 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(February 9, 2016 at 3:48 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: We recognize our own consciousness. But this recognition is very subjective. I am conscious because I am conscious and that is the end of that.
The purpose of this thread is to take us beyond mere assertions. What objective definition would we use? Can we define consciousness in a way that excludes the possibility that computers are conscious?
We have defined it, it is just that you are having a hard time accepting it. That is an evolutionary reaction on your part out of a sense of wanting to survive. You are wanting some sort of "forever" subconsciously without realizing it, and the truth is there is no "forever" for your brain. You are merely projecting your own desires into this discussion.
You're the one that is projecting, Brian. You do this all the time. You impute motives for your opponent's holding the view that they do and then attempt to discredit the motive. That's called an ad hominem argument and it's fallacious bullshit.
(February 9, 2016 at 6:07 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Consciousness is an abstract word used to describe your brain in motion. Once your brain dies, you die, that is it. It is a manifestation of electrico-biochemical activity combined with our particular species structure of brain. It is an outcome of evolution. But when that structure is destroyed beyond repair, there is no more you.
Consciousness is your brain in motion. Well that explains absolutely nothing. Other things in motion, like a ball, do not acquire consciousness, so you're left with the puzzle of why a ball or the heart being "in motion" doesn't give rise to consciousness and the brain, figuratively speaking as "in motion," does. And for that you have no answer.
(February 9, 2016 at 6:07 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Nothing created us like a factory boss makes a product. Just like you know Thor is not the cause of lightening and you know Poseidon is not the cause of hurricanes. Both lightening and hurricanes are a result of conditions, and the same with evolution and the human brain.
Evolution and the human brain are a result of conditions. How uninformative. Except we know how lightning and hurricanes work, we don't know how consciousness works. So your analogy, is a false one.