Well the physical universe follows physical laws....where is the evidence that we are exempt from them? Why should we be considered a special case? Until I know of any evidence I shall assume we are controlled by physical laws...
In response to your question..I equate free will to violating physics because as I said above....as far as I know the universe follows the physical laws of the universe...until I know of any evidence that they can be violated I will assume there is no free will...
If free will has to just follow the laws of the universe whether they are predetermined (deterministic) or more random and unpredictable (indeterministic) - then where does the choice come in? The physics just happen whether they are determined or more random and unpredictable...where does out choice come in other than evitability?
If by 'free will' you just mean evitability and freedom of possibility in general then I believe in free will.
If, however, - you mean that we can do other than what we WILL do...what WILL happen in the future.,...whether that's a determined future or its indetermined and can go many ways, then the thing is that...The future WILL happen whether its determined OR that it can go many different ways of course. The future is what's going to happen, whatever it is - so we can't change it. How can we do other than what the physical laws of the universe are simply doing? Whether its just totally determined or more random and unpredictable (indeterministic).
Where does the 'choice' come in? Physics does what it does, we do what we do...where is the evidence that we are an exception and we can over ride this? If by free you don't mean that...you just mean we have 'freedom' we have evitablity ....we can avoid things and do stuff....then of course I believe THAT....that's obvious.
But where does the choice come in if we are simply doing what we are doing and we can't do otherwise? If we do something else how did we 'choose' that? We just did it. Who says it wasn't simply the laws of the universe working...who says we have any power over them at all? And if we don't...where does the 'choice' come in...isn't it simply evitability? Where is the evidence of any 'choice'? What do you mean by 'choice'? We do what we do...whether its following unpredictable physics or predetermined physics I would think...where is the evidence that any 'free will' fits into the equation?
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In response to your question..I equate free will to violating physics because as I said above....as far as I know the universe follows the physical laws of the universe...until I know of any evidence that they can be violated I will assume there is no free will...
If free will has to just follow the laws of the universe whether they are predetermined (deterministic) or more random and unpredictable (indeterministic) - then where does the choice come in? The physics just happen whether they are determined or more random and unpredictable...where does out choice come in other than evitability?
If by 'free will' you just mean evitability and freedom of possibility in general then I believe in free will.
If, however, - you mean that we can do other than what we WILL do...what WILL happen in the future.,...whether that's a determined future or its indetermined and can go many ways, then the thing is that...The future WILL happen whether its determined OR that it can go many different ways of course. The future is what's going to happen, whatever it is - so we can't change it. How can we do other than what the physical laws of the universe are simply doing? Whether its just totally determined or more random and unpredictable (indeterministic).
Where does the 'choice' come in? Physics does what it does, we do what we do...where is the evidence that we are an exception and we can over ride this? If by free you don't mean that...you just mean we have 'freedom' we have evitablity ....we can avoid things and do stuff....then of course I believe THAT....that's obvious.
But where does the choice come in if we are simply doing what we are doing and we can't do otherwise? If we do something else how did we 'choose' that? We just did it. Who says it wasn't simply the laws of the universe working...who says we have any power over them at all? And if we don't...where does the 'choice' come in...isn't it simply evitability? Where is the evidence of any 'choice'? What do you mean by 'choice'? We do what we do...whether its following unpredictable physics or predetermined physics I would think...where is the evidence that any 'free will' fits into the equation?
EvF
