(February 27, 2011 at 5:17 pm)Emporion Wrote: Why not? What is your evidence? Is it the religionist's pathetic rationalizations?
Dude, you are waaaay too condescending. Did you ever actually had a conversation with a theist who knows his stuff ? Theists have very smart people on their side, people who spend a lifetime making apologetics, excuses and rationalizations about their God. So acting like it is this simple to disprove God is simply laughable.
For example, your argument about inspired-by-God texts. Assuming Jesus is the Messiah (i know, its bullshit, but still) then he recognized the Old Testament as true and his disciples, being chosen by him, are also inspired by the Holy Spirit. So now you have to prove that Jesus is not the Messiah for your argument to be true. And to prove that, you have to prove he didn't exist. So then you have to prove that the authors mentionning him, and the Apostles who we knew existed, were either wrong or lying. Etc etc etc. It takes a LONG time, and some skill that you get from experience, to get a theist all the way to the end of his excuses and then bash him with your arguments until you make a slight, tiny crack into one of his ideas. It's not as simple as you seem to think it is.
Quote:Damn, but I liked it so much. Bad grammar can really fuck up a new
hopeful saying, can't it?
Has anyone come up with this version?
Critical thinking dies at the door of religion.
If not, can I save it in some way so I can use it if I become famous? Like trademarking it or something like that?
It just doesn't flow really well. I mean thinking of religion as a "building" doesn't really work. Maybe if you use "Christianity" instead for example it works better because then you get not a concept (religion), but something that is tangible (Christianity)
Quote:That's fine, I'm not offended. I'm sure that there are plenty of thrusts and atheists who are ok with the way things are because culture tells us from an early age to be tolerant of peoples beliefs and respect them, even if they ARE bullshit. I was taught the same thing, but when I learned how to critically think I saw how narrow-mindedness is sold to people through propaganda. They buy it in different ways and quantities, but they still buy it nevertheless. I think the world would be a better place without all of the narrow mindedness. If that was the case, we would not be fighting 2 wars in the Middle East right now. That's just one example. I want to change how the world thinks as to get rid of a lot of unnecessary problems in the world by utilizing science, critical thinking, and human constructiveness instead of narrow-mindedness.
Now that is some really condescending speech right there. Because i am tolerant of some theists (without explaining to what extent in any way) you assume i'm "fine with the way things are". I'm not, but i know that generalizing the superstitious as stupid ignorant bigots like you do is simplistic and untrue. You are the one that seems a little narrow-minded i'm afraid :/
Also, we are pretty much ALL irrational in one way or another. Many believe in True Love, many hope that their dreams can come true even in the face of overwhelming data against them. A fuckton of people play Lotto. Some people have lucky shirts. Do you think this is wrong and humanity should get rid of all that ?
I know someone who lost their wife of 23 years last year. Despite never usually going to Church or anything like that, he tried going to a prayer group for comfort. He openly admits that this idea, however unlikely, of seeing his wife again in the afterlife is the only thing that kept him able to keep his life from falling apart. Do you really want to blame people like that for this ?
Religious and/or superstitious thinking is perfectly fine as long as you keep them to yourself and don't make decisions based on those beliefs.
