(March 1, 2011 at 2:43 am)Emporion Wrote: I am still a bit confused why the longest quote is so bad as I have rudely shown in my responses the argument shredding. Is my trap theory still a bad one, even though my argument for it is clearly bad?
Nothing wrong with the logic, more with the presentation. But, I think your recent change in approach to this discussion is interesting. You seem to have found that your original, more confrontational approach was not getting the desired results. You will find it even more so with "religionists". These are people who have willfully rejected logic, in favor of faith, out of fear. They can't give up there beliefs because they can't face life, or more importantly, death without them. I don't think they will respond well to being "trapped". I suspect they feel somewhat trapped already. They create their pseudo-logical arguments in an attempt to rationalize their belief in what is the equivalent of Santa Claus, or the Easter Bunny.
I'm not trying to discourage you in your efforts here, I think it's a useful exercise in logic and rhetoric. I use discussion as much to clarify my own logic as to learn to express it effectively. (and I have plenty of room for improvement in both areas.)