RE: What's the lamest defence of Theism you've ever heard?
February 18, 2016 at 3:01 pm
(This post was last modified: February 18, 2016 at 3:11 pm by God of Mr. Hanky.)
(February 18, 2016 at 11:15 am)AAA Wrote: No, we were talking about abiogenesis in the calculation portion. That is BEFORE it can reproduce and therefore evolve. So no it isn't a fallacy. Scientists think that there are about 250 -400 proteins needed by the simplest possible viable organism in order to enter the evolutionary pathway. We just calculated the unbelievable odds of one. So you do need a ton of sequential characters to line up in the correct sequence in order to start evolution. If it wasn't random, then what was it?
Scientists? What scientists, and why do you suddenly give a fuck what they think if they happen to be legit?
The bullshit here should be obvious: numerous and complex proteins are not required in order to "enter the evolutionary pathways", because evolution could not have begun with molecules so complex as proteins. The bare rocks are not, and probably never were composed of any proteins, but self replicating molecules may have arisen in water, when silicaceous deposits bonded with some of the simple compounds which were in existence, and also happened to be bases which continued to evolve and form proteins. Such scenarios would not have been just one, but many (global), and without the competituon and predation of existing life forms, there was nothing to stop a few of these chains from moving forward. Like all the evolution which can in fact be observed, it begins simple, and changes very slowly. A few generations from out of the rocks would be barely comparable to anything which you would call modern biology, but then the viruses which survive today aren't much different. As it is with all life forms, you either become good at surviving as something close to your current form, stop reproducing altogether and face outright extinction, or fade into extinction while a few of your offspring take advantage of your reproduction errors, keeping that change in the gene pool. When there have been many such surviving changes which began with you, and you were a now-extinct type of rodent, you may have a descendant who is a chimpanzee.
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