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What's the lamest defence of Theism you've ever heard?
RE: What's the lamest defence of Theism you've ever heard?
(February 18, 2016 at 4:02 pm)AAA Wrote:
(February 18, 2016 at 3:47 pm)FebruaryOfReason Wrote: Please see my previous post, AAA. I did graduate from High School.

In fact, I went on to graduate from University. In chemistry.

I know how these molecules are formed. I don't need to speculate. I don't simply believe what I was told by my tutors. I verified what they told me in the laboratory.
Ok, well then tell me is the formation of a phosphodiester bond a spontaneous reaction? What about the formation of a peptide bond? Do you know that amino acids have a chiral carbon, meaning they have stereoisomers? Did you know that only the L form isomer makes proteins? What are the odds that a long polypeptide would form with only the L handedness in nature? Also I am skeptical that you graduated from a University yet you make such an inaccurate statement as saying that DNA can replicate itself. That is just a blatant lie. You need helicases, single stranded binding proteins, DNA polymerases, ligases, topoisomerases, and many more. Also if you formed DNA and proteins in the lab, then congratulations, you should be up for your nobel prize soon, because you are the first one. Also if you graduated in chemistry, then you may know about the catalytic efficiency of enzymes. Some of them are literally kinetically perfect, meaning that they catalyze reactions as fast as reactants diffuse and contact them. Have you ever seen a catalyst that reacts that perfectly?

Hold on, I'm getting to this point by point but the reply keeps disappearing.

Ok, well then tell me is the formation of a phosphodiester bond a spontaneous reaction? Yes. It's a condensation reaction. No god required.

What about the formation of a peptide bond? No different from the formation of any other chemical bond. No god required there either.

Do you know that amino acids have a chiral carbon, meaning they have stereoisomers? Yes thanks.

Did you know that only the L form isomer makes proteins? You mean only the Leavorotatory stereoisomer appears in proteins? If you say so.

What are the odds that a long polypeptide would form with only the L handedness in nature? No odds necessary. We are talking about the product of L-Handedness, not D-Handedness. You might as well speculate what the odds of seeing the license plate YR3445DR are on the way here.  But hang on, what's this?;

"nine of the nineteen L-amino acids commonly found in proteins are dextrorotatory (at a wavelength of 589 nm),"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextrorota...vorotation

and this?;
Occurrence of some d-amino acids in some natural materials
http://www.jbc.org/content/190/2/705.full.pdf

oops!

Also I am skeptical that you graduated from a University yet you make such an inaccurate statement as saying that DNA can replicate itself. That is just a blatant lie. You need helicases, single stranded binding proteins, DNA polymerases, ligases, topoisomerases, and many more. Also if you formed DNA and proteins in the lab, then congratulations, you should be up for your nobel prize soon, because you are the first one. Except of course for Meselson and Stahl, ibid.

Also if you graduated in chemistry, then you may know about the catalytic efficiency of enzymes. Yes I do thanks.

Some of them are literally kinetically perfect, meaning that they catalyze reactions as fast as reactants diffuse and contact them. Have you ever seen a catalyst that reacts that perfectly? Many chemical reactions are constrained by factors other than kinetics. The term "Kinetic perfection" refers only to the fact that the enzyme is not the limiting factor in the reaction, not that the enzyme itself is "perfect" in the sense of being unimprovable. An elephant can crush any ant. That is not an argument for the elephant being created by a divine being, just proof that it is bigger than any ant.

But what the hell. All the millions of careful investigations done by biologists and chemists the world over for the last 200 years are obviously without foundation. Some bloke on a cloud obviously did it all.
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RE: What's the lamest defence of Theism you've ever heard? - by FebruaryOfReason - February 18, 2016 at 4:12 pm

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