RE: Magdalene Horrors in Ireland
February 26, 2016 at 12:34 pm
(This post was last modified: February 26, 2016 at 12:36 pm by TrueChristian.)
It's kind of remarkable what a nice country Ireland is now, and how it's prosperity/humanity is directly correllated to the Churche's decline.
You realize that the Magdalene horrors are only one speck of rampant clerical exploitation and abuse in Ireland?
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission...hild_Abuse
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Cath...in_Ireland
It would appear the Catholic sex abuse in Ireland was 1000 times worse than what it was and in the United States. Worse because it likely was proportionally much greater, and involved a ton of government negligence/complicity. Everyone in power seemed to know it was going on, yet facilitated it/looked the other way.
It would appear that the problem was an excess of piety, and I think to a largeextent that is true. It also was just grinding poverty that contributed to it, and the bigotry, prejudice and ignorance that go with it.
In order for a population to be concerned/outraged about such government abuse/neglect there has to be a strong middle class that cares and advocates for the public, common good. Everyone seemed to know how bad the industrial schools and magdalene laundries were, but most people seemed fine with them existing since they "took care of a problem."
Since Ireland was historically so poor, there was no real "progressive movement" which was parallel to the ones in North America and western Europe, where public concern about such issues (corruption included) happened.
If Angela's Ashes and other things I've read about pre 1980s Ireland are true, Ireland's ethos was governed by Catholic fundamentalism merged with the worst of victorian/edwardian classism and bigotry. The general attitude seemed to be a real hatred of the poor,disadvantage and marginalized.
Ireland was a democratic republic during the 50s, when the worst of this stuff happened. And democracies reflect the values of their population "the will of the people" if you will. And the will of the people in Ireland at that time, was to have all this happen
You realize that the Magdalene horrors are only one speck of rampant clerical exploitation and abuse in Ireland?
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission...hild_Abuse
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Cath...in_Ireland
It would appear the Catholic sex abuse in Ireland was 1000 times worse than what it was and in the United States. Worse because it likely was proportionally much greater, and involved a ton of government negligence/complicity. Everyone in power seemed to know it was going on, yet facilitated it/looked the other way.
It would appear that the problem was an excess of piety, and I think to a largeextent that is true. It also was just grinding poverty that contributed to it, and the bigotry, prejudice and ignorance that go with it.
In order for a population to be concerned/outraged about such government abuse/neglect there has to be a strong middle class that cares and advocates for the public, common good. Everyone seemed to know how bad the industrial schools and magdalene laundries were, but most people seemed fine with them existing since they "took care of a problem."
Since Ireland was historically so poor, there was no real "progressive movement" which was parallel to the ones in North America and western Europe, where public concern about such issues (corruption included) happened.
If Angela's Ashes and other things I've read about pre 1980s Ireland are true, Ireland's ethos was governed by Catholic fundamentalism merged with the worst of victorian/edwardian classism and bigotry. The general attitude seemed to be a real hatred of the poor,disadvantage and marginalized.
Ireland was a democratic republic during the 50s, when the worst of this stuff happened. And democracies reflect the values of their population "the will of the people" if you will. And the will of the people in Ireland at that time, was to have all this happen
