(February 29, 2016 at 12:36 am)MysticKnight Wrote:(February 28, 2016 at 7:02 pm)Jenny A Wrote: You just summarized why I strongly prefer deist behavior to theist behavior. Deists don't think that they know what god wants and therefore think for themselves. Theists tend to think a book written a hundreds of years ago is the word of god or worse yet that god is speaking to them directly: wars, burnings, discrimination, guilt over harmless things, burdensome rituals, shunninge, and other ugliness ensue. There's nothing like thinking your own personal moral choices are ratified by god to cause evil in the world.
If I was an Atheist, I would prefer people believe Deism out of belief no religion is true.
No need to capitalize atheist or deist. Neither is an organized religion or an organization of any kind. It's like capitalizing Left Handed as if that made left handed people a coherent group. It's that self thinking, lack of group think, or I know what god wants thinking, that I like about deists.
Quote:However as far as reflecting goes, I find the way the Quran is designed, it's designed so we reflect a lot, and a lot, to begin to scratch the surface and appreciate it.
I see you and others attempting to demonstrate that from time to time. Mostly though I see simple minded Islamist Fundies crying infidel! Study yes. Deep reflection, possibly. But the loudest voices don't seem very reflective to me.
Quote:That said, logically, God can design literature in a way that makes us reflect more so then absence of his literature. I know in English class we thought a lot about different topics. Often it was the more unspoken parts of the literature, that had implicit messages, that were the deeper and more profound impact to people.
God can design the ultimate literature, that would inspire the best type of pondering and reflecting.
So revealing a book doesn't mean you don't think. Yes you don't think independently, but, why is that it's good to read from all sorts of people but God is not suppose to reveal any literature to humanity?
I don't think that there is a god let alone a god inspiring literature.
Quote:Why is that's good to learn from everyone but God?
Something is not adding up. Again, I understand this preference if one is Atheist.
I understand why Atheists prefer for someone to be a Deist as opposed to a Theist.
But it's not because Deism is more logical then Theism, it's simply from the perspective of the Atheist, it's better to think for ourselves, then follow someone who made up a religion blindly.[/quote]
Ah huh.
Quote:However if religion was to be from God and it was not to be followed blindly but rather upon insight and seeing it to be true upon evidences, and clear proofs for the religion, then these problems don't exist.
We are arguing in theory which is better.
In practicality, everyone can argue they are better off then another people, that's besides the point.
The point is that there is no god inspired literature. That's it. And the literature that is supposed to be god inspired gives weight to some very ugly ideas. I'm not interested in arguing what if it were god inspired until there is some evidence it was.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.