The Problem with Christians

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[Edited, I was being a bit too sarcy!]

This is what he's trying to say:

"If reality doesn't fit our current models of it, which are perfect, then nature isn't what we think it is. There must be other things... supernatural things!"

No.

If reality doesn't fit our current models, our models are wrong.

He's also suggesting we will never, ever learn how certain things work, according to his judgement. How exactly is that useful? Whether or not they will be explained in the future does not rely on people's opinions right now.

Let's make it even more simple. I've given up debating this guy, but for the listeners at home:

Behind door number 1, we have natural and currently explainable occurrences.

Behind door number 2, we have natural but currently unexplained occurences.

Behind door number 3, we have "supernatural".

The theist tells us that a particular occurrence is not behind door number 1. Often they are wrong, they simply don't understand the subject. But let's give them the benefit of the doubt, and say we agree it's not behind door number 1.

What's the conclusion? They say it's behind door number 3. When asked how they know this, they say they don't think it would ever be behind door number 2. Or else they try and pretend that there is no door 2, and that it's just part of door number 3. Either way, it's blatantly ridiculous. When the doors are finally opened as science continues to find new things out, time and again things are behind door number 2. The people who said they weren't were wrong. They had just given up any further investigation. It may be that we never find out whether some things are behind door number 2 or 3, but concluding that they are behind door number 3 is a completely ridiculous, useless and unsupported conclusion.

The only reason to say this is because supernatural sounds a bit like God, which is a bit like [insert my favourite god]. Turning up to an atheist forum with no understanding of logic, and no desire to learn about it, is like me turning up at a bible study knowing nothing about Jesus and ignoring all mention of him.