(March 8, 2016 at 10:16 am)Ben Davis Wrote:(March 7, 2016 at 11:26 pm)Meandering Atheist -J- Wrote: I think this is a good question, and honestly, I don't know how I could be converted to theism (or deism). If god came down from the sky and opened up the heavens to me... I would think I was going insane/hallucinating/on something. If it were more subtle, then I don't know what would actually convince me. I think it's silly when someone says 'show me ONE fossil in the wrong rock layer' since it would obviously take more than ONE fossil, but I don't know what convincing evidence would actually look like. I'm interested to hear some ideas here.
And this is where the ignostic position helps frame the conversation. There really aren't any reasonable definitions of what god is, what its attributes are or how it functions. Consequently it's nigh on impossible to define what would convince you of the existence of something that's so badly defined as to be indistinguishable from things that don't exist. The best answers, like Bill Nye's, are generic (e.g. 'Evidence') and push the onus back on to the believer to properly define their position.
That's a great point, thank you. I hadn't ever heard of ignosticism before. I think it's really important here. Theists are forced to keep pushing God further outside the bounds of reality (many will literally say "god exists outside of time spans space"), to the point where sometimes I'm not even sure THEY have a clear definition of their own God.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.