RE: The Assault on Trump is about to Begin
March 8, 2016 at 3:47 pm
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2016 at 3:48 pm by scoobysnack.)
(March 8, 2016 at 3:04 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:(March 6, 2016 at 6:33 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Suppose someone did, though? Suppose someone promoted a classless, egalitarian society in which the means of production was owned by the very people who worked it.
Jeus christ, that sounds terrifying, I can't keep my hands from trembling! Uh...ugh, yep, I just shit myself.
I think it would be much more fruitful in this case to specify common employee ownership, so that nobody can claim that the idea is to turn over the means of production to the government.
Of course, a fundamental disconnect between left and right is that we on the left have, as an ideal, a government which works to benefit its citizens and is accountable to them, where the right generally resents the idea that the federal government can interfere with state-level fiefdoms and prevent these states from functioning as fiefdoms. I don't know of anyone who professes a desire for Stalin-style communism (probably because almost no one actually does), but I'm sure there isn't any progressive or liberal in existence who actually does want government to control everything and wants only to work to enlarge it at any cost.
Indeed, progressives are all about minimizing government reach into quite a few important areas, women's uteri as just one prominent example.
Everyone talks about the left/right paradigm, but no one talks about the ones above it. The ultra rich. What do they want? They want centralized power, and bigger government because in the end they pull the strings. This is why large banks funded communist Russia, because when you control the capital flow of money, you control the people who receive it. They want to solidify their power, by making people dependent on them. Free people are not dependent, but everything is so inverted, that some think government programs like welfare creates independence. It's like someone taking out a million dollar loan and claiming they are a millionaire. No they are a million dollars in debt to the lender, just like welfare recipients are in debt to the government. Not that they will pay it back, but they will always vote for those who offer bigger government. That's the democratic base to an extent.