(March 11, 2011 at 4:52 pm)Welsh cake Wrote:(March 11, 2011 at 3:45 pm)theVOID Wrote: Oh wow, thanks for pointing that out Welsh Cake, I guess the vast majority of climate scientists completely forgot about that /sarcasmYou're always welcome VOID. ^^ May I also point out your argumentum ad populum and that scientific consensus is not by itself a scientific argument while I'm at it?
It wasn't an argument from authority, it was a response to your rather pathetic little piece of showmanship, waving about the a picture of the sun as if the scientists completely forgot to account for it.
And no shit the consensus isn't a scientific argument, it's a near majority agreement amongst experts that the scientific argument is valid and based on the sum of out best data. It's more than reasonable for non-experts to believe the current consensus as tentatively true, unless you know of any defeating studies that haven't been refuted and aren't wildly speculative i'll continue to do so.
If you're willing to argue the evidence or present some you believe disproves then go ahead.
Quote:Inadequate - Earth is 4.54 billion years, we've only had instrumental temperature recording since 1880, that's not enough sufficient evidence to support the hypothesis, maybe you have different standards of evidence, but I don't find that to be particularly convincing.
There is a ton of evidence, one being satellite data that shows progressively less energy escaping the atmosphere than is entering which is, again, more closely correlated with increasing C02 emissions than any single other factor contained in the data, INCLUDING solar activity.
EIA Wrote:Human carbon dioxide emissions are calculated from international energy statistics, tabulating coal, brown coal, peat, and crude oil production by nation and year, going back to 1751. CO2 emissions have increased dramatically over the last century, climbing to the rate of 29 billion tonnes of CO2 per year in 2006
http://www.eia.doe.gov/aer/txt/ptb1119.html
Notice the strongest correlation? No other factors are even slightly as indicative.
And data showing that solar irradiance (The total amount of energy from the sun reaching the earth's surface) is inversely correlated...
Again, no other factors have any where near as strong of a correlation as increased C02 emissions.
Quote:Except I'm not a conspiracist. Global warming provided the excuse needed for reducing the UK's dependence on coal by replacing it with nuclear power. If you kindly stop being presumptuous for just a minute a brief search into modern history and politics will reveal that bitch Margaret Thatcher and what her party did to the coal industry. Where I live, the south Wales valleys is a quite literally a "dump" because of her. We live on handouts from the European Union for fucks sake.
That's got nothing to with the data. If you have evidence for another factor being more closely tied to increased average temperatures then feel free to provide it, otherwise while I'm sorry for your situation, It's plainly not relevant.
You think you can get over your biases for long enough to argue the evidence?
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