(March 12, 2011 at 2:41 am)Welsh cake Wrote:(March 12, 2011 at 12:15 am)theVOID Wrote: It wasn't an argument from authority, it was a response to your rather pathetic little piece of showmanship, waving about the a picture of the sun as if the scientists completely forgot to account for it.You missed the point again, they didn't forget to account for it, they opted instead to *completely ignore it* along with volcanic activity and major eruptions.
That is complete bullshit, almost every single meta-analysis on the issue has measurements for solar activity in a variety of forms as well as the earths current aphelion/perihelion and eccentricities. The hypotheses that the sun was responsible for the increase in average global temperatures was the first to be refuted - It simply does not account for the difference.
Quote:Didn't I just tell you that that was still woefully inadequate to determine one way or the other about what long-term cyclic patterns our climate is currently going through? Even with the data there are present-day anomalies in the Sun's behavior that still need to be explained.
You asserted it, but your argument is full of shit, it amounts to nothing more than "bu...bu..but there might be something going on in the sun!" Show me the data! Oh, wait, it doesn't fucking exist.
We can EASILY measure the energy coming from the sun into the planet, we do so constantly around the clock from dozens of monitoring stations around the world, the amount of solar energy entering the atmosphere shows an inverse correlation with current warming patterns. We can also measure the amount of energy leaving the atmosphere as well as the specific wavelengths that are being blocked and, low and behold, the wavelength of radiation being released in progressively lesser amounts is exactly the wavelengths absorbed by carbon gasses.
Until some data emerges to show that some other phenomenon better explains the otherwise unaccounted for progressive increase in average global temperatures then it still remains the case that increased carbon in the atmosphere is by far the strongest correlation and is therefore the best explanation given the entirety of available data, that makes it a tentative conclusion and the only one that is epistemically justified. Your belief that some unknown phenomenon is responsible is completely unjustified.
Quote:You also haven't heard of the phrase "Correlation does not imply causation"?
Are you fucking shitting me? Do you not understand that the strongest correlation is the most likely cause and is thus the cause that we are justified in believing to be true? C02 emissions are EASILY the strongest correlation, thus they are by far the most likely cause.
This is fucking scientific method 101...
Quote:Actually, it does. The industry, steam locomotives and coal mines in Wales are all long gone, yet they argue CO2 emissions have never been higher, and we need legislation to cut them, please explain that to me.
Because Wales accounts for FUCK ALL of the earth's emissions. Are you now denying that C02 emissions are increasing? You need to go and look at the most rudimentary data if you believe that is the case!
You absolutely wreak of biases right now.
Quote:If you give me a massive government grant I think we can arrange something.
More biases, great! Your financial situation in Wales has absolutely nothing to do with the data.
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